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LiveFreeOrDie · 07-31-2002, 04:49 AM

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Originally posted by strubenuff:
I think you're all overlooking the fact that humans lived with dinosaurs <a href="http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm." target="_blank">http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm.</a> Perhaps, if you evolutionists would only look at the true evidence insead of twisting it and dismissing what you don't like, you would agree with the creationists by now.

Fact??!! If this is truly a fact, strub, then how come we never find hominid fossils in the same strata as dinosaur fossils? How come the earliest known hominid fossils are dated tens of millions of years after the latest know dinosaur fossils?

Perhaps if you didn't get your "facts" from untrustworthy creationist web sites, you would realize how unsupportable creationism is by now.

Kevin Dorner · 07-31-2002, 05:17 AM

I didn't see anything there but ancient artwork. To pretend that ancient peoples weren't smart enough to estimate what a living dinosaur looked like from observed fossilized skeletons (either naturally exposed by erosion or through digging for precious metals) and associate or compare them with living lizards does them a disservice. They were just as smart as you or I, just not as learned in some things.

Once it was known that giant reptiles wandered the earth in the past, this is certainly an idea, along with its associated artwork, that would have been carried by many different cultures to places that may have no fossils.

If dinosaurs were so numerous recently, why did all of the more recent skeletons disappear without a trace leaving only ones that can be reliably placed before the K-T boundary?

As well, the stylized Chinese dragons that look nothing like dinosaurs seem to have been completely ignored... because they don't fit the hypothesis. Neither does all the ancient artwork "proving" the existence of many gods!

strubenuff · 07-31-2002, 06:10 AM

Actually, I was just kidding...

scigirl · 07-31-2002, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by strubenuff:

Actually, I was just kidding...

Ha ha ha strubenuff, I figured as much (since you said "creationists" not "us" !

Hey welcome to infidels, and feel free to introduce yourself <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=43" target="_blank">here</a> at the Welcome forum.

scigirl

Kevin Dorner · 07-31-2002, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by strubenuff:

Actually, I was just kidding...

Agh! Ya got me!

*taps his Sarcasm Meter to make sure it's working.*

I'll be crawling back under my rock now...

Bubba · 07-31-2002, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strubenuff:
I think you're all overlooking the fact that humans lived with dinosaurs <a href="http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm." target="_blank">http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm.</a> Perhaps, if you evolutionists would only look at the true evidence insead of twisting it and dismissing what you don't like, you would agree with the creationists by now.

That would explain the dinosaur prints I found in the front yard this morning.

Where's Hovind when you need him?

Bubba

[ July 31, 2002: Message edited by: Bubba ]

strubenuff · 07-31-2002, 04:33 PM

So the general consensus is that the ancients discovered dinosaur bones locally and then recreated them as art?

ps418 · 07-31-2002, 05:44 PM

Test time. Everyone look at <a href="http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient2/ancient2.htm" target="_blank">this picture.</a> What forms do you see depicted? Apparently, some creationists see a dinosaur fighting a mammoth!?

No, I'm being serious.

The Genesis Park page above says of this photo:

To the right is a picture of a dinosaur fighting a mammoth from the book Buried Alive by Dr. Jack Cuozzo (click to enlarge). It was taken by the author in the Bernifal Cave, one of the caverns in France that is renowned for Neanderthal artifacts. The cave has been closed to the public. Science News was given the opportunity to publish the remarkable photo, but declined. It seems that evidence against the prevailing paradigm of naturalistic origin was selected against. It is buried alive by the scientific establishment. As Cuozzo says, this is natural selection in the most literal sense!

LiveFreeOrDie · 07-31-2002, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by strubenuff:

Actually, I was just kidding...

Oops. Resetting phasers from "kill" to "stun"...

Camaban · 07-31-2002, 06:52 PM

ok...

needing a tiny bit of help here.

aside from a few vague outlines down the bottom, I can honestly see Diddly-squat.

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07-31-2002, 05:17 AM	#22
Kevin Dorner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 762	I didn't see anything there but ancient artwork. To pretend that ancient peoples weren't smart enough to estimate what a living dinosaur looked like from observed fossilized skeletons (either naturally exposed by erosion or through digging for precious metals) and associate or compare them with living lizards does them a disservice. They were just as smart as you or I, just not as learned in some things. Once it was known that giant reptiles wandered the earth in the past, this is certainly an idea, along with its associated artwork, that would have been carried by many different cultures to places that may have no fossils. If dinosaurs were so numerous recently, why did all of the more recent skeletons disappear without a trace leaving only ones that can be reliably placed before the K-T boundary? As well, the stylized Chinese dragons that look nothing like dinosaurs seem to have been completely ignored... because they don't fit the hypothesis. Neither does all the ancient artwork "proving" the existence of many gods!

07-31-2002, 06:10 AM	#23
strubenuff Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NY Posts: 96	Actually, I was just kidding...

07-31-2002, 04:33 PM	#27
strubenuff Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NY Posts: 96	So the general consensus is that the ancients discovered dinosaur bones locally and then recreated them as art?

07-31-2002, 05:44 PM	#28
ps418 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Louisville, KY, USA Posts: 1,840	Test time. Everyone look at <a href="http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient2/ancient2.htm" target="_blank">this picture.</a> What forms do you see depicted? Apparently, some creationists see a dinosaur fighting a mammoth!? No, I'm being serious. The Genesis Park page above says of this photo: To the right is a picture of a dinosaur fighting a mammoth from the book Buried Alive by Dr. Jack Cuozzo (click to enlarge). It was taken by the author in the Bernifal Cave, one of the caverns in France that is renowned for Neanderthal artifacts. The cave has been closed to the public. Science News was given the opportunity to publish the remarkable photo, but declined. It seems that evidence against the prevailing paradigm of naturalistic origin was selected against. It is buried alive by the scientific establishment. As Cuozzo says, this is natural selection in the most literal sense!

07-31-2002, 06:52 PM	#30
Camaban Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 473	ok... needing a tiny bit of help here. aside from a few vague outlines down the bottom, I can honestly see Diddly-squat.

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