winstonjen

Well, thanks for admitting your hypocrisy. If it makes you feel better, it's nothing compared to the hypocrisy of the god depicted in the bible.

MrDarwin

But Adam and Eve were disobedient. So surely God must have intended Adam and Eve to be disobedient? 'Cause it sure sounds like this is what you're saying!

Magus55

No God intended humans to listen to him, obey, and remain uncorrupt. They chose to go against his intentions, and he allowed it because he gave them free will (the ability to do so).

winstonjen

Why would he allow it if he didn't want them to do it? Sounds like more evidence that god is ultimately responsible. If he considers himself to be above his own laws and above responsibility, why do you feel that he is worthy of worship?

Then they had an advantage that we don't have, and god is being unfair to us, by punishing us for what other people did.

orac

However, God forgot to give adam and eve the knowledge that disobeying God is evil. According to the Bible, they didn't know what they were doing until after they ate the fruit.

Oops.

Adam and eve were, supposedly, intellectual toddlers with no understanding of good and evil, yet God is punishing us for their mistake.

The justice love and mercy of your god is truely amazing.

oriecat

Ok, so God intended his creation to be one way, but in his out of time all-knowingness, he would have known that they wouldn't remain that way. Were his intentions not good enough or did he just mess up the creation?

DoubleDutchy

God is perfect.
God has free will.
Conclusion ?

Magus55

Because if he didn't allow them to do it, they don't have Free will. How many times are we gonna go over the same topic until it sinks in or you at least stop talking about it?

God isn't being unfair, you sin every day, you blasphemy his name, you disobey God constantly. He's punishing you for what you do, not what Adam and Eve did.

Magus55

Um wrong, God said, do not eat this fruit or you will die. He told them exactly what would happen. Just because they didn't know what evil meant, doesn't mean they can't obey. Dogs can obey humans, you think they actually understand the concept of Good and Evil?

Magus55

I already mentioned God is epitome of perfect in that he can't make a mistake, because to do so would go against his own nature. I changed my use of perfection of Adam and Eve to uncorrupt and sinless.

God also isn't bound by Free will. The term isn't applied to him because he can't committ sin. Yes he can do anything thats within his own nature to do, but sin isn't one of them. Free will can't be used to describe God.