Arken

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/30/ra....ap/index.html

Emphasis mine.

While I have nothing but sympathy for rape victims, I think that this law is going to be subject to a lot of abuse and little fairness. Take the example given above that inspired the law. I don't know about the case, but it sounds like they started having sex, she suddenly said 'stop' and he did one or two thrusts before he stopped, but did what she asked, probably because he was so stuck in the moment that it took him a second or two to register.

What do people think... should this be counted legally as rape once willing penetration has occurred?

Non-praying Mantis

Or for that matter, what about oral sex having occured/occuring?

NPM

Derec

This is the kind of nonsense about rape and feminazis I have been pointing out for the longest only to be flamed by some (mostly) women here ....

Also I don't think this will lead to a woman getting convicted of rape when a man changes his mind .. more sexism.

UMoC

P.S.: Why don't these governors use their veto power when they should, now the only chance for sanity are the Supremes.

Arken

I might suggest that using inflammatory terms such as 'feminazis' and calling it 'nonsense' rather than 'a bad idea' or something might contribute to your being flamed.

Derec

Well I am sorry but these kinds of laws do result in many innocent men being trown in jail and labeled sex-offenders.
Calling it "nonsense" and comparing idiots who support it with nazis is moderate, frankly.

UMoC

Arken

I don't know about 'moderate' but I agree that these sorts of laws tend to result in innocents being convicted. I was merely pointing out that your implied surprised at being flamed was odd considering the language you used in the first place.

catalyst

There is far too much potential for abuse with this sort of law.

Yes, I think that one person should stop if there partner says so, however, this will come down to a case of he said/she said. Also, suppose someone regrets what they have done the next day? Then a law like this can be abused even more.

tronvillain

Well, I can see sex turning into "rape" simply because one party "changes their mind." I myself have had someone change their mind in the middle of the second time we were having sex and when she made it clear she actually wanted to stop, I stopped. I am unable to imagine any label but rape for what it would have been had I not stopped at that point. Of course, that is the vital part, that the person who wants to stop actually makes that crystal clear (otherwise it isn't rape, it is just consenting to sex that you didn't feel like having).

AquaVita

I too, am pretty uncomfortable with a law like this. Where exactly do they draw the line? How do they gather other evidence? How do they prove she really said no?

AquaVita

Of course it can. But then at this point, there is already physical evidence of intercourse and proof that in fact the two were together in bed...then what? As I asked above, how will this be proved?