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Lobstrosity · 07-31-2003, 09:39 PM

The worst ones are phrased like "sometimes you [blah]." Virtually no honest person can ever claim such a statement doesn't apply to him. In order to call it a miss it needs to be turned into a "you never [blah]," and such absolute statements will most likely fail to hold for most people.

echidna · 07-31-2003, 10:08 PM

Volker, a gift, my astrological reading for you :

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A person of unusually high intelligence and integrity, an individual privately well respected by their peers. Your deep running intellect and emotions are rarely understood by people and you are even mysterious to your family.

You're a quiet person, your friends like your placid nature and yet with such unique qualities you often find yourself on the outside, at school, work, even family. At the same time, your unique perspective on life gives much to those who you wish to share it with and you have no enemies amongst those who really know you.

In fact, it�s the very strength of your integrity which drives you to relentlessly hunt for truth and to tackle those seeds of self-doubt with a rare and insightful honesty. Life has often been difficult, and yet it�s this very challenge which gives you your determined strength to contribute so much.

Away from the analytical side of you which so many people know, not so many are aware that you have a softer side, one which enjoys music and the very spirit of life and nature. It is in these arts that you seek balance and true understanding.

How close was I ?

Secular Pinoy · 08-01-2003, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by ps418
Welcome to Volker's ignore list, Oolon. You can sit right over there, between Facts and Ps418.

Wow, that sounds like a nice place to be.

ps418 · 08-01-2003, 05:43 AM

I realize that Volker is currently ignoring questions from many of us, but perhaps one the II members who is not on the ignore list would ask Volker this question:

Why are the angular relationships of the celestial bodies at the moment of birth so influential? For instance, my daughter was delivered via caesarian section, about a week before her 'due date.' If she had been born on or after her due date, she would have been born under a completely different astrological sign. Does astrology predict that her personality was changed dramatically by beeing born a week early? Could parents tweak the birth dates of their children in order to engineer their personalities? For instance, junior's due date is March 21, but we prefer an Aries over a Pisces, so we'll induce labor on March 20?

This question was asked before, by Echidna or someone else, but of course Volker never answered.

Patrick

Lobstrosity · 08-01-2003, 12:06 PM

Volker:

Why are the angular relationships of the celestial bodies at the moment of birth so influential? For instance, my daughter was delivered via caesarian section, about a week before her 'due date.' If she had been born on or after her due date, she would have been born under a completely different astrological sign. Does astrology predict that her personality was changed dramatically by beeing born a week early? Could parents tweak the birth dates of their children in order to engineer their personalities? For instance, junior's due date is March 21, but we prefer an Aries over a Pisces, so we'll induce labor on March 20?

Why, for example, isn't it the time of conception that's significant and how do you know?

Shadowy Man · 08-01-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Lobstrosity
For instance, junior's due date is March 21, but we prefer an Aries over a Pisces, so we'll induce labor on March 20?

Or better yet, what if labor begins on March 20th and ends on March 21st?

echidna · 08-01-2003, 03:28 PM

Well if you think the West is superstitious, it's nothing on Asia.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/030102/139/1zo0q.html

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Baby boom in China on the cards-since 'goat year' is coming

Beijing, Jan 2 (ANI): As the Chinese prepare to welcome the Year of the Goat in just a month's time, a baby boom is supposed to occur throughout the country with many women waiting to have their babies born in the Year of Horse. The reason for the hurry is the belief that those born in the Year of the Goat would have bad luck all their lives.

Many couples apparently made sure to conceive in time before the inauspicious Year of the Goat begins. It is widely believed that the goat is one of the less auspicious signs in the Chinese zodiac.

(To be fair, I don't think it was me that raised birth dates.)

But it does raise another point about the validity of "western astrology" when most of the rest of the world practises other forms. So which one is correct Volker ? Presumably yours ? Much as you malign science, at least science transcends national boundaries unlike astrology & other religions.

Hawkingfan · 08-01-2003, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Shadowy Man
Or better yet, what if labor begins on March 20th and ends on March 21st?

I believe astrologists have this one figured out. They call it being born "on the cusp". "Cusps" have their own special horoscopes.

One of the problems I'd like to bring up is why doesn't the time of conception play a role in the horoscope? I mean, isn't that the moment when a person's genetics are first determined? Wouldn't the position of the planets be more important at that time? It doesn't seem "logical" (I use the term loosely) for the planets's positions to have more control over a person's personality just when they leave the womb as at the precise moment the fetus is created.

Bag of Ass · 08-02-2003, 09:30 AM

If you're going to get wishy-washy by introducing cusps, what if you're right between a normal astrological sign and a cusp? Does that become a cusp of a cusp? When will it end?

Calzaer · 08-02-2003, 09:45 AM

I think I've actually heard the term "cusp of a cusp" before... but don't quote me on that.

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07-31-2003, 09:39 PM	#41
Lobstrosity Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 719	The worst ones are phrased like "sometimes you [blah]." Virtually no honest person can ever claim such a statement doesn't apply to him. In order to call it a miss it needs to be turned into a "you never [blah]," and such absolute statements will most likely fail to hold for most people.

08-01-2003, 05:43 AM	#44
ps418 Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Louisville, KY, USA Posts: 1,840	I realize that Volker is currently ignoring questions from many of us, but perhaps one the II members who is not on the ignore list would ask Volker this question: Why are the angular relationships of the celestial bodies at the moment of birth so influential? For instance, my daughter was delivered via caesarian section, about a week before her 'due date.' If she had been born on or after her due date, she would have been born under a completely different astrological sign. Does astrology predict that her personality was changed dramatically by beeing born a week early? Could parents tweak the birth dates of their children in order to engineer their personalities? For instance, junior's due date is March 21, but we prefer an Aries over a Pisces, so we'll induce labor on March 20? This question was asked before, by Echidna or someone else, but of course Volker never answered. Patrick

08-01-2003, 12:06 PM	#45
Lobstrosity Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 719	Volker: Why are the angular relationships of the celestial bodies at the moment of birth so influential? For instance, my daughter was delivered via caesarian section, about a week before her 'due date.' If she had been born on or after her due date, she would have been born under a completely different astrological sign. Does astrology predict that her personality was changed dramatically by beeing born a week early? Could parents tweak the birth dates of their children in order to engineer their personalities? For instance, junior's due date is March 21, but we prefer an Aries over a Pisces, so we'll induce labor on March 20? Why, for example, isn't it the time of conception that's significant and how do you know?

08-02-2003, 09:30 AM	#49
Bag of Ass Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Torrance, California Posts: 17	If you're going to get wishy-washy by introducing cusps, what if you're right between a normal astrological sign and a cusp? Does that become a cusp of a cusp? When will it end?

08-02-2003, 09:45 AM	#50
Calzaer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,762	I think I've actually heard the term "cusp of a cusp" before... but don't quote me on that.

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