Birdsmgp

... What I want to see is people taking things: "Objectively" in this Life. Accepting what we can see and evaluate the Facts before us. I'm not much for "Debates". I just want to see if others will see things for what they are?

... I do not see the "Bible" as a "Fact" for evidence of a "God".
The "Bible" to me was "Man Made".

... I see written stuff for such things to be like this ... Demanding us to live under strict guidelines, when our instincts where ment to be our guidelines. If people can not learn to follow their instincts, for which then other people that can, need to show example living and hope to teach others how living instinctively works with the harmony, yeaning and appreciation with this life. One thing I think about is: If you don't know how to deal with this life, then that is the test of our lives. If you can appreciate and keep one's body in good health, harmony with the Nature of this world and respect it. Then what are we really to be of any life that we face at this present moment?

... I think the Native Indians that use to live on the Northern Continent had better insight with this life, before the Christian Conquest came to this place and took it over. The Conquest was ruthless and barbaric, if one learned the real suppressed history of what really happened.

HelenM

Maybe so; I wouldn't know.

Insulting and ridiculing them in turn wouldn't be my preferred way of trying to get them to realize it.

Helen

Badfish

TheBear is a good guy. And I certainly agree that Clinton was a bozo. Not only was he incompetent, he was a sexually immoral example to set for our country and our young people.

The media plastered this crap all over the news and all the Children got to see what "productive" things were really going on in the white house.

Remember Bush is recovering from the Clinton administration, so give him a chance.

Badfish

Hi Michael

Don't you think it's possible that the millions of unique species may have an intelligent designer behind them?

Since you are advocating only accepting what we can see, then the fact remains that I cannot see how life blossomed from nothing.

This is an observation that will stand the test of time and makes God a consideration for everyone (even in the back of their minds) IMO.

Something cannot come from nothing. Since we can observe the expansion of the universe we can theorize with some certainty that it had a beginning.

If all life came from a singularity, where did the singularity come from?, And that singularity had to contain all the building blocks for the vast splendor of the Universe along with the millions of different kinds of species on earth.

There had to be a first cause.

As far as the NA Indians, yes they seemed very much in tune with the earth, they had to be, they were / are free spirits with no desire to pursue mass colonized cities and were happy out on the plains, I envy their lifestyle.

livius drusus

What caused God?

P.S. - If you would like to actually engage the topic, check out this fantastic First Cause thread in EoG.

Badfish

The "Since Birth" is a dead give away. Not only that you proudly flaunt the fact that you are gay, it doesn't take a genius to make the connection. lol

Badfish

Just like we cannot comprehend an Alpha concept like an infinite universe, we cannot comprehend an Alpha concept such as God. The huma mind cannot comprehend how how a being could have always been. So God has always been.

Either the Universe caused itself (no evidence, only speculation) or A being created the universe (which we have some testimony in support of).

Neither concepts are observable, and never will be in our human lives, this is why we must seek to step out of the box and consider the realm of spirituality.

Badfish

Ok, thanks. I will.

livius drusus

Hi Badfish -

Check out the link I edited into my above post to see why your Prime Mover argument fails on every level. Let's keep this thread devoid of abstract discourse, shall we?

I'll even give you a topic: Christian Forums moderation is neither Christian nor moderate. Discuss.

Badfish

Of course, the act of moderating is not Christian by definition.

I posted over there, but the thread is long and i just threw some stuff out there, well, you'll see.