Sabine Grant

Salut Mageth.....
Christians may be not allowed to think for themselves but I can guarantee you that we have the choice still to use a personal thought process as we live our daily lives. Somehow I still use my brain so I know where to draw the line if anyone or any book tells me " you must kill so and so....". And most christians do... except for the fanatic christian who claims that God told him to blow up an abortion clinic.....Mageth.... how many christians have you personaly known who take the Bible literaly and apply any laws ever written ? there is what we may claim.. but there is also common sense when it comes to apply it to the letter.

In our daily choices of actions we have to draw that line between what is productive and beneficial to all and what could result in harming anyone or starting a bloody conflict. It of course depends on how a believer will understand what the " mind of Christ " means. It should and can only mean something positive, productive. It cannot mean the annihilation of common sense and decency. It depends what image of God a believer has......how much of himself he wills to project in that image.
Sorry.... did not mean to derail. But generalizations make me tick..... they often call for further analysis.

Mageth

Sorry.... did not mean to derail. But generalizations make me tick..... they often call for further analysis.

You're right, I was perhaps generalizing a bit much.

It of course depends on how a believer will understand what the " mind of Christ " means. It should and can only mean something positive, productive. It cannot mean the annihilation of common sense and decency.

If only all Christians could realize that. Indeed, if I correctly understand the core message of Christ, if only everyone could realize that.

Magus55

I do think for myself thanks, but really appreciate the implication that I'm stupid and have no intelligence just because of what I believe in.

Jimmy Higgins

Its not what you believe, but why you believe it. But still, you haven't really explained why only a human sacrifice could suffice for universal atonement. God had shown grace in many other instances, why not here? Why was their a need for such an archaic solution?

Biff the unclean

But what you believe doesn't help.

winstonjen

Well, if you would show examples of your thought using sources outside the bible, I'm sure it would serve as evidence of your own thought.

wade-w

Let's keep personal comnments out of this, shall we?

winstonjen

Good. Now what we need is god to apologise for what he did.

Thanks QoS, this is homage to you! :notworthy

To appeal to New Zealanders?

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by winstonjen
Thanks QoS, this is homage to you!

Riffs on grammar - or the lack thereof - never fail.

abospaum

Some good reading on the area of sacrifice:

http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm
This site shows what the OT has to say about sacrifice and whether or not it is required. They use translations from the Hebrew so it is much more accurate than a KJV.

From Psalm 49:
No man can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for him.
So when Jesus was crucified was he man or God? If he was only a man, as Magus says, then how could he redeem his life for another?

http://www.ffrf.org/bas/bas5.html
Here are many of the injustices of God.
With regards to justice and whether or not it is just for punishment to be given for sins. Well the OT is very arbitrary on the matter. In some instances God just killed the sinner on the spot but if he let them live then he always gave them a chance to redeem themselves.

http://www.faithforum.org/challenge/...?TOPIC_ID=3015
Another great site. This is a X-ian bulletin board for challenging questions. The best poster is Holy Brother who is an Orthodox Jew from Israel. He loves to challenge people on their improper translations from the OT.