Thanatoast

Kassiana proclaims:

That's exactly what I was thinking when I voted for the "other" category. CR's and other assorted "theonomists" (those who advocate the institutionalization of Old Testament Law as the law of the land) creep the living faeces outta me. Just listen to Bob Enyart on www.kgov.com

Fortunately, their following is quite minimal, and there's little chance their goals would ever be achieved.

Of those other choices, though, I contend that the anti-birth control stance of the R.C.C. produces by far the most suffering in the world.

The Naked Mage

And I think Amie's trying to say that she'd prefer a duffel bag to a steamer trunk.

Good ol' Amie. She won't answer questions, but she's even better than I am at popping in unexpectedly with inane comments; she's like some sort of inane-comment ninja. I don't think she'll ever top Gemma, though.

christ-on-a-stick

If you are really interested in any dialogue, I would love for you to expand upon your one-word answer to my post. If not, I will go with my assumption that you are not really here to learn or discuss things and simply enjoy interrupting and aggravating people.

So, I will look forward to your response then. Thank you and have a nice day!

Kassiana

Kass:
Yes...I didn't vote on those theistic policies most likely to succeed. I voted the ones that scared me the most, and those are the Phelps and Rushdoony types. As for the other choices, I really can't say which is most harmful or likely. I think they all are harmful, certainly, but choosing just one is like choosing just one peanut.

Infinity Lover

Oh boo hoo hoo, someone not laughing along. Get over it pal, this aint junior high.

b.t.w I voted for the anti conception answer. In one word: overpopulation.

The Naked Mage

So basically what you're saying here is that you feel this inane comment competition is juvenile, and also that you'd like to be a part of it?

themistocles

Creationism has to be the one.

Faith Based Initiatives at it's worst are insidious proselytizing and holds potential for religious preferences in government we'd just soon as well not have, but I don't see the decline of America as resulting from such a thing, I believe that such programs are ultimately innocuous, at worst.

Personally, I'm on the fence about what role our general educational system should have regarding birth control. I generally see abortion itself as evidence of sweeping social irresponsibility and pretty uncouth, and so I may usually have a bias towards more conservative opinions on the issue, but I also understand the practical aspect provided by the other side of the argument and well appreciate these realities.

But those issues are contentious. There is nothing contentious about the academically damaging effects of subverting science with blatant lies of a worldview suitable more for tribal barbarians than a civil and rational society. Teaching creationism must and will always be far more insidious and damaging to the public good than the other two issues could ever hope to be.

Amos

Hello christ-on-a-stick.

Are you implying here that a woman's opinion does not count for much because tomorrow she may hold that the opposite is true?

Add to this that all of us have some 'woman' in us could that not mean that each one of us could change our mind without a moment of notice? I mean, we all heard about the story of Saul and how he changed his outlook on life and maybe we are next! (your words in this regard reminded me of Saul).

Now unlike most of us here who think that it is 'nice' to count the voices that can change, the Church cannot be in caught a such a lower position from where it is possible to change its mind.

Yesterday I wrote an argument to substantiate this claim which I did for my own pleasure and so I do not see why I should repeat it. It amounted to something like the negative influence of "sex for sport" as opposed to "sex for procreation" and why it is that within one generation we can't seem to procreate anymore, and further, that we find it increasingly more difficult to nurture the chidren we do procreate into mature adults. Eg, just look at class sizes and you can fill in the rest of the blanks from your own neighborhood.

To prevent one or two generations from causing mankind in Christendom to go the way of the dinosaur it is only right that the wisdom of the Catholic church becomes the bulwark of truth against which lower minds can bang their heads for the sake of pleasure. We don't mind. In fact, you're welcome to piss on it and we won't even notice (did you never get that message?).

Shake

So you're saying non-Catholics are lower minds? I think someone needs some help getting off of his high horse.

We don't find it "more difficult to nurture the chidren we do procreate into mature adults." Adults from the me generation, yuppies, etc., were in general (no offense meant to those of you in that age range specifically) more focused on their careers than their children. What happened was that parents stopped shouldering the responsibility of raising their own children and expected everyone else, from the schools to the churches, to raise their kids for them. Then they wondered why their kids didn't respect them or their teachers, were slackers and expected everything in life to be handed to them on silver platters! It's because Mommy and Daddy just gave them whatever they wanted to shut them up, never taught them the value of a dollar or hard work. It was the time of lets sue everyone who doesn't agree with my way of thinking. What also happened was that the courts actually bought some of this crap! They want their kids to have discipline, but god forbid some teacher ever say anything bad about their kids! Children naturally push the limits to see how much they can get away with. What parents are supposed to do is set and enforce boundaries! This didn't happen. Or if it did, the boundaries were so loose as to be ridiculous. It wasn't "removing God from the schools" that made kids "worse." It was parents tying the hands of teachers and other school administrators from applying any (effective) discipline to the kids. I'm not saying we need to bring back straps or public spankings, but disciplinary action loses its credibility (and therefore its effectiveness) when it can't be properly enforced. A teacher shouldn't have to fear losing their jobs while trying to maintain an orderly classroom!

OK, rant off, 'cause I'll just keep on goin'.

As for pissing on the "wisdom of the Catholic church," thank you, I think I will!

The Naked Mage

It's nice to see that you and Amie have so much in common.