Perchance

Hi DigitalChicken,

That seems to be the general consensus among non-Pagan/Wiccan sources, and also in the Pagan/Wiccan ones I trust more often. I suspect (cynical me) that the contention that most of the witches were members of some secret non-Christian cult is an exaggeration being used for political gain by people who want to blame Christians or gain sympathy for paganism.

It's even more blatant when people start claiming that all the dead were Wiccans, since Wicca didn't exist then.

-Perchance.

Kassiana

Just FYI, I'm a Pagan and all the Pagans I know to any significant degree recognize that the 9 million number is an exaggeration/mythmaking by those who use it. But then again, I don't hang out with the, "I read one book by Silver RavenWolf so I can dictate what Paganism is to everyone" crowd within the Pagan faiths.

Amos

Hi, I said that Wiccans are not witches and it is the identity of witches that I wrote about. The casting of spells is just a fun thing Wiccans may or may not do but is not even close to the traditional craft of witches.

So you obviously don't read very well and it matters little how many male Gods and female Godesses you put your faith in.

Amos

So Kassiana, are there many pagan religions and are they like social clubs or what do they do?

As for me? If one witch died would have been one too many just as if one witch survived would have been one too many.

Perchance

Amos, I may be wrong, but it sounds as though you're advocating the death of witches here. If so, why, and who are these witches whose deaths you are advocating?

-Perchance.

gsx1138

Actually, I don't think you write very well but that is an aside. How many Gods and Godesses does make a difference on whether you can be considered Pagan. Sure Abrahamic religions consider anyone not them as Pagan but I think that the distinction can be narrowed easier through deity base.
Anyone who advocates death to someone else because of religous belief should be put to death.

Amos

See, I told you that you do not read well because you missed the point completely.

I told you above that Wiccans are harmless and are not witches in the traditional meaning of the word. Even if they succeed in all they wish to accomplish (and I hope they do for their sake), Wiccans and Pagans are and will remain harmless.

So it is not the different beliefs nor their actions that make witches out of people regardless if these beliefs are original or borrowed from other religions. A new religion is never an objection to Catholicsm but the spiritual fornication of Catholics within the flock is grounds for objection and that is what the Witch Hunt was all about. My explanation of the symbolism in which I describe their actions made that clear and if you don't like what I write why don't you just defeat my argument instead of condemning me to death?

Amos

Yes, I did indicate that but that was more in agreement with the events of the past.

To start a witch hunt today would convict all the people who advocate the message of salvation and have this substantiated by a bundle of scriptures according to their own recipie. Remember here the "soaring witch on a broom" image and the "witch stirring in the brewpot down below."

The "why" is based on the premature awakening of our spiritual identity and if this is done before "its own time" we will never mature as Man in the image of God. In other words, "realization" will never be ours because our spiritual identity has been tampered with.

Our "realization" or "awakening" or "salvation" is native to man and is actually our own metamorphosis. If this is provoked before its own time we will stumble around like "butterflies without wings" because we will want to soar but can't get off the ground unless we burn daily scriptures. This happened to the children of Isreal who died nonetheless because they, too, had a "saved sinner complex." If you recognize this complex you should also know who the withces are.

I would never harm anyone but I just wanted to explain what withces were/are all about. America is full of them and soon they'll be going to war because of them.

Catholics really don't care if witches fornicate half the nation. They just would like them to stay away from their flock because the Advent period must precede rebirth and it is just prior to this advent period that the "vultures gather" and they are on the lookout for such "carcasses" at all times. The advent period in a person's life is just prior to menopauze and can be seen as our cocoon stage. It is the end of the Yang period and announces the beginning of Yin. It is here that people are extremely vulnerable.

The Catholicism would rather not be part of it and really does not want it (the charismatics) in their churches.

Revelation 14:6-12 describes them best and so does the prevailing spirit of Laodicea (Rev.3:14-17).

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Perchance

Amos, still not really sure what you're talking about, but it makes me shiver. If not an attitude that would be part of witch-hunts today, it sounds as though it could be incorporated into them.

I don't think that "real" witches existed because I don't believe in magic or the Devil. But a lot of people managed to convince themselves there was good reason. I think the same thing could still happen.

It makes me shiver.

-Perchance.

Grizzly

I certainly don't want to put words into Amos' mouth (I doubt if I could) but Amos is speaking in metaphor. He is not talking about witches as human beings, but witches (in Amosese) representing protestant heresy (misuse of scripture). I certainly don't believe that Amos is in any way advocating the death of anyone.

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