sourdough

since no one can prove the existence of god
isn't that proof enough that it doesn't exist.

Chicken Girl

umm... no.

nice try, though

Seraphim

Is there any proof that there is a person behind the nick "Sourdough"? Or Seraphim for that matter? Either of this nicks could be created by some supercomputer which is in experiment to mimic human discussion and human nature which none of you do not know of.

Since such thing cannot be proven doesn't happen, does it means that is what happening?

Unum

I think a better question would be: Is it possible to prove anything?

To prove something in reality, requires us to use reality to do so. In effect, we are using something to prove that same something. This is a contradiction according to the present laws of logic, yet this is exactly what is happening. It's ironic that we use logic to prove things, yet logic itself stands on an illogical base. Which leads to another interesting question: Is it possible to use logic to logically prove itself?

Peace,

Unum

Seraphim

Logic is based on what we know and how much we know is depend solely on what we learn (by method of science) for the last 500 years.

To say that something is not exist simply by stating it cannot be proven logically is equal to say that we had learn everything there is to learn to make such assumption that that something doesn't exist.

Logically speaking, the above senario cannot be achieve simply because 3 logical statements :

1. Our knowledge is too small to come out with a proper assumption whether God exist or not.

2. Most of our knowledge comes from Human point of view alone without considering any other factor which could contribute to it - Pro or Con. Assuming that we (humans) are the ONLY living organism in the Universe, such assumption could be consider logical.

3. Taking into consideration of various other races and their religions/teachings, the weight falls toward God exist (especially from point of view from Hindusm, Taoist and Buddhism) than to assumption that it doesn't exist. Since it is illogical for a single race (such as Americans, or Europeans etc) to make assumption on behalf of all other races, a collective opinion must be taken into consideration.

Belief in God should be consider as individual right where each person has right to belief what he or she wants. Other people has no right to impose his or her own belief onto another, just as same as one who doesn't believe in such belief to impose their point of view to those who do belief, which include sarcastic remarks or making jokes about other people's belief.

Philosoft

Huh?

<strong> This is not by any means universally true. It is quite dependent on one's definitions of "God" and "exist."

<strong> How exactly are we to consider something from a point-of-view other than human?

<strong> Argument from popularity aside, how do you decide that three distinct religions all worship the same God? And why not Christianity?

<strong> What axiom or argument dictates this? Where would the contradiction result if a single "race" made an "assumption on behalf of other races"? Whatever that means.

<strong> I don't think you'll find much disagreement with this.

<strong> They have the right to try to some extent, at least in the States.

<strong> That may be bad form or unethical or fallacious, or whatever you want to call it, but it certainly isn't a right to have your belief system unchallenged by sarcastic remarks.

Dr. Retard

Based on this reasoning, I'm going to go home and beat the everliving shit out of my wife! Thanks for the idea!

(With any luck, the flux of cultural practices will soon make it OK for me to remove my daughter's clitoris, too!)

xeren

Ahhhh, cultural relativism at it's finest...

Sabine Grant

PHILOSOFT : I do not believe that sarcasm is a necessity to challenge a belief system.It only engenders miscommunication or the desire from the recipient to simply ignore the comment.

It does not promote dialogue and intelligent exchanges. At least in my opinion.

Sabine Grant

The same way we cannot envision the infinite small and the infinite great. We can think of what the universe may be like but we cannot concieve its actual dimension because it is beyong our understanding. Does the univers exist?