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pangloss · 07-15-2003, 05:34 AM

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None of which are listed in Pubmed

They are all in creationist rags...

It really bugs me how these guys engage in this sort of lying ALL the time...

Principia · 07-15-2003, 05:45 AM

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The institute has tried hard to publicly extricate itself from creationists and social conservatives who have besieged textbook hearings since the 1980s, most of whom believe that evolution is incompatible with a literal reading of the Book of Genesis in the Bible and that Earth is no more than 10,000 years old.

The Texas Education Agency definitively foiled efforts to get creation taught alongside evolution when they adopted new science education standards in 1997 with a requirement that all students learn the basic concepts of evolution. There is no requirement regarding creationism. Those standards form the basis for the state's new Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills, which 11th-graders must pass in order to graduate.

West said institute scientists are not creationists and are not associated with religious fundamentalists. However, The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that one of its major donors is Howard F. Ahmanson, a wealthy Californian who served on the board of directors for the Chalcedon Foundation, a think tank for Christian Reconstruction, a movement that seeks to replace democracy with a Christian theocracy.

West dismisses attacks on the institute for its motives. "Everyone has motives for everything. Science is about the evidence," West said.

But Eugenie Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, says scientists such as William Dembski, Michael Behe and Jonathan Wells, all senior fellows at the institute, are not taken seriously by mainstream scientists. Scott and Maguire say work on intelligent design is not published in scientific, peer-reviewed journals.

The institute's interest in Texas is obvious. Texas is the second-largest purchaser of books in a multibillion-dollar market; California is first. In recent years, publishers have begun tailoring their books to appease interest groups on both sides of the debate.

Principia · 07-15-2003, 06:00 AM

I've heard that the Ahmanson (Chalcedon Foundation) money (something like 2.5 million a year) is the main source of funding for the CRSC. Does anyone know how long that can last for the DI? I remember somewhere that the grant runs out this year.

Coragyps · 07-15-2003, 07:47 AM

It sounds like things went better than I would have expected: news story. I'm going to the next session in September, IPU willing, and I'll report back then.

pangloss · 07-15-2003, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by Principia
I've heard that the Ahmanson (Chalcedon Foundation) money (something like 2.5 million a year) is the main source of funding for the CRSC. Does anyone know how long that can last for the DI? I remember somewhere that the grant runs out this year.

My posting of an article on the DI (PJ specifically) /Ahmanson connection was the reason for my second banning on ARN...

theyeti · 07-15-2003, 10:56 AM

Here's the trascript of the CNN story. Unless there was a different story that the DI was whining about, their complaints are downright stupid. Not surprisingly, they totally misrepresent the content of the CNN story. And they have the nerve to complain about misrepresentation. What a bunch of hypocrites.

theyeti

KC · 07-17-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by pangloss
My posting of an article on the DI (PJ specifically) /Ahmanson connection was the reason for my second banning on ARN...

Shame on you for pointing out the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

KC

Albion · 07-17-2003, 07:31 PM

Whaat reason did they give for that ban? Stating something in public that they'd prefer to keep under wraps?

notto · 07-17-2003, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by pangloss
My posting of an article on the DI (PJ specifically) /Ahmanson connection was the reason for my second banning on ARN...

So much for "teaching the controversy".

pangloss · 07-18-2003, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by Albion
Whaat reason did they give for that ban? Stating something in public that they'd prefer to keep under wraps?

It was most ironic - first, they just deleted the post, saying that it was an "ad hominem" against Phil Johnson, because, in the twisted mind of the IDiot, since I pointed out that one of the tenets of the Chalcedon (sp?) foundation was that it would be OK to stone to death disobedient children that I was implying that PJ also thought this.

So, I reposted it, again, it was deleted, again with the "ad hom" excuse.

Third time was a charm - banned me.

I guess they don't dig the ugly truth, and as is the conservative creationists' wont, they tried to cover it up by banning me.

As if nobody else wouldind out abou tit....

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07-15-2003, 06:00 AM	#23
Principia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: anywhere Posts: 1,976	I've heard that the Ahmanson (Chalcedon Foundation) money (something like 2.5 million a year) is the main source of funding for the CRSC. Does anyone know how long that can last for the DI? I remember somewhere that the grant runs out this year.

07-15-2003, 07:47 AM	#24
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	It sounds like things went better than I would have expected: news story. I'm going to the next session in September, IPU willing, and I'll report back then.

07-15-2003, 10:56 AM	#26
theyeti Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 9,747	Here's the trascript of the CNN story. Unless there was a different story that the DI was whining about, their complaints are downright stupid. Not surprisingly, they totally misrepresent the content of the CNN story. And they have the nerve to complain about misrepresentation. What a bunch of hypocrites. theyeti

07-17-2003, 07:31 PM	#28
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Whaat reason did they give for that ban? Stating something in public that they'd prefer to keep under wraps?

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