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Wyrdsmyth · 06-14-2002, 04:25 AM

Who here is an atheist but not a materialist?

Steven Carr · 06-14-2002, 04:36 AM

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Originally posted by Wyrdsmyth:
Who here is an atheist but not a materialist?

In the sense that numbers exist, and non-material things like the rules of chess exist, count me as a non-materialist.

excreationist · 06-14-2002, 05:00 AM

Steven Carr:
I think those physical words you are talking about ultimately refer to physical objects and systems... they are physical signals that we associate with memory fragments. It is easy to think that they don't need the physical world to exist.

But anyway, I think this thread is about whether there are atheists who believe in things like souls or that every particle is conscious, etc.

[ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: excreationist ]

madmax2976 · 06-14-2002, 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by Wyrdsmyth:
Who here is an atheist but not a materialist?

Calling most Buddhists! Calling most Toaists! Calling some Pantheists!

philechat · 06-14-2002, 04:42 PM

Upanishads, Jains, Transcendental Idealists, Stoics, some Phenomenologists, in addition to those mentioned above...

I am not a pure materialist, but more of an Idealist/Phenomenologist bent. I think science is an interpretation about the phenomena we observe, and necessarily a subjective affair. The reason science is a meaningful interpretation is its predictive power about our experience.

The concept of "soul" is rather subjective also. What does one mean by "soul"? One would certainly find a Christian and a Buddhist disagreeing with each other about its nature.

[ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: philechat ]

stewbster · 06-14-2002, 06:02 PM

a taoist, No God, No material, just nature and the way.

stu

[ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: stewbster ]

Koyaanisqatsi · 06-17-2002, 12:27 PM

I'm atheist, but not materialist. What do I win?

John Page · 06-17-2002, 12:45 PM

I'm an atheist and not a materialist. Are there medals for second prize or just some sort of force field like magnetism?

Seeker196 · 06-17-2002, 01:24 PM

I'm agnostic.

Materialism might be right. Or not. The jury is eternally out, and that's all anyone can ever say.

AtlanticCitySlave · 06-17-2002, 02:15 PM

I lean towards materialism, but like some others I wouldn't put myself in the camp yet, so I'll add me in the bunch.

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excreationist Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Australia Posts: 4,886	Steven Carr: I think those physical words you are talking about ultimately refer to physical objects and systems... they are physical signals that we associate with memory fragments. It is easy to think that they don't need the physical world to exist. But anyway, I think this thread is about whether there are atheists who believe in things like souls or that every particle is conscious, etc. [ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: excreationist ]</p>

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philechat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mind of the Other Posts: 886	Upanishads, Jains, Transcendental Idealists, Stoics, some Phenomenologists, in addition to those mentioned above... I am not a pure materialist, but more of an Idealist/Phenomenologist bent. I think science is an interpretation about the phenomena we observe, and necessarily a subjective affair. The reason science is a meaningful interpretation is its predictive power about our experience. The concept of "soul" is rather subjective also. What does one mean by "soul"? One would certainly find a Christian and a Buddhist disagreeing with each other about its nature. [ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: philechat ]</p>

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stewbster Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: America Posts: 14	a taoist, No God, No material, just nature and the way. stu [ June 14, 2002: Message edited by: stewbster ]</p>

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Koyaanisqatsi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Yes, I have dyslexia. Sue me. Posts: 6,508	I'm atheist, but not materialist. What do I win?

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John Page Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: US Posts: 5,495	I'm an atheist and not a materialist. Are there medals for second prize or just some sort of force field like magnetism?

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Seeker196 Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 278	I'm agnostic. Materialism might be right. Or not. The jury is eternally out, and that's all anyone can ever say.

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AtlanticCitySlave Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 251	I lean towards materialism, but like some others I wouldn't put myself in the camp yet, so I'll add me in the bunch.

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