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Darth Dane · 06-25-2003, 03:32 AM

Definition of God: 1st John 4:7-8. God is Love

The Kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21

Does this mean when we bring out Love in our being that we are touching the kingdom of God?
And that the more we Love the more we touch?
How much can we touch?

We bond with God by choosing Love before we choose anything else.
By choosing Love you are praying?

By chossing Love what do we draw closer to?

If anything is accredited to being God's commands or God's wishes or of God, then there must be Love as Love is the very definition of what/who God Is.

Hell - To be in Hell is not to have Love, If God sends anyone to Hell, God is without Love, as Forgiveness is one of the attributes of Love. So God can not send you to Hell, because it would not be a loving thing to do, especially if it is for all eternity. So if anyone goes to Hell it is because they choose the least amount of Love they can possibly do. There is still self-love from the individual who are in Hell, they chose it remember.

Sin - Sin can be to not to choose Love. If The kingdom of God is inside and God is Love, then by not chossing Love we Sin.

So the only Sin of any importance is by not choosing Love as the very first thing that enters your being when you awake and by choosing Love as the very last thing before you go to sleep.

Is there another topic in christianity that I miss as being important?

When you see others act, you can see how close they are to the kingdom of God by seeing how much Love(and forgiveness) they have. So everyone has part of this kingdom, only in varying degrees.

Even if you don't believe in God, I still say that Love is the greatest thing, and will still be able to see how close they are to the ideal of Love.

Love gives Life, Hate takes Life

If God is Love, then I will still exist after leaving my physical body, I will be given a new life in a new sphere of existance.

So the crusades are not of God, it wasn't Love from the christians that met the "infidels" it may have been in the name of God(Love) but it surely wasn't Love.

If it is Love it is God

DD - Love & Laughter

emotional · 06-25-2003, 07:38 AM

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א בִּשְׁנַת־מוֹת֙ הַמֶּ֣לֶךְ עֻזִּיָּ֔הוּ וָֽאֶרְאֶ֧ה אֶת־אֲדֹנָ֛י יֹשֵׁ֥ב עַל־כִּסֵּ֖א רָ֣ם וְנִשָּׂ֑א וְשׁוּלָ֖יו מְלֵאִ֥ים אֶת־הַֽהֵיכָֽל׃ ב שְׂרָפִ֨ים עֹֽמְדִ֤ים ׀ מִמַּ֨עַל֙ ל֔וֹ שֵׁ֧שׁ כְּנָפַ֛יִם שֵׁ֥שׁ כְּנָפַ֖יִם לְאֶחָ֑ד בִּשְׁתַּ֣יִם ׀ יְכַסֶּ֣ה פָנָ֗יו וּבִשְׁתַּ֛יִם יְכַסֶּ֥ה רַגְלָ֖יו וּבִשְׁתַּ֥יִם יְעוֹפֵֽף׃ ג וְקָרָ֨א זֶ֤ה אֶל־זֶה֙ וְאָמַ֔ר קָד֧וֹשׁ ׀ קָד֛וֹשׁ קָד֖וֹשׁ יְהוָ֣ה צְבָא֑וֹת מְלֹ֥א כָל־הָאָ֖רֶץ כְּבוֹדֽוֹ׃ ד וַיָּנֻ֨עוּ֙ אַמּ֣וֹת הַסִּפִּ֔ים מִקּ֖וֹל הַקּוֹרֵ֑א וְהַבַּ֖יִת יִמָּלֵ֥א עָשָֽׁן׃ ה וָֽאֹמַ֞ר אֽוֹי־לִ֣י כִֽי־נִדְמֵ֗יתִי כִּ֣י אִ֤ישׁ טְמֵֽא־שְׂפָתַ֨יִם֙ אָנֹ֔כִי וּבְתוֹךְ֙ עַם־טְמֵ֣א שְׂפָתַ֔יִם אָֽנֹכִ֖י יוֹשֵׁ֑ב כִּ֗י אֶת־הַמֶּ֛לֶךְ יְהוָ֥ה צְבָא֖וֹת רָא֥וּ עֵינָֽי׃ ו וַיָּ֣עָף אֵלַ֗י אֶחָד֙ מִן־הַשְּׂרָפִ֔ים וּבְיָד֖וֹ רִצְפָּ֑ה בְּמֶ֨לְקַחַ֔יִם לָקַ֖ח מֵעַ֥ל הַמִּזְבֵּֽחַ׃ ז וַיַּגַּ֣ע עַל־פִּ֔י וַיֹּ֕אמֶר הִנֵּ֛ה נָגַ֥ע זֶ֖ה עַל־שְׂפָתֶ֑יךָ וְסָ֣ר עֲו*ֹנֶ֔ךָ וְחַטָּֽאתְךָ֖ תְּכֻפָּֽר׃ ח וָֽאֶשְׁמַ֞ע אֶת־ק֤וֹל אֲדֹנָי֙ אֹמֵ֔ר אֶת־מִ֥י אֶשְׁלַ֖ח וּמִ֣י יֵֽלֶךְ־לָ֑נוּ וָֽאֹמַ֖ר הִנְנִ֥י שְׁלָחֵֽנִי׃

א בִּשְׁנַת-מוֹת הַמֶּלֶךְ עֻזִּיָּהוּ וָאֶרְאֶה אֶת-אֲדֹנָי יֹשֵׁב עַל-כִּסֵּא רָם וְנִשָּׂא וְשׁוּלָיו מְלֵאִים אֶת-הַהֵיכָל. ב שְׂרָפִים עֹמְדִים מִמַּעַל לוֹ שֵׁשׁ כְּנָפַיִם שֵׁשׁ כְּנָפַיִם לְאֶחָד: בִּשְׁתַּיִם יְכַסֶּה פָנָיו וּבִשְׁתַּיִם יְכַסֶּה רַגְלָיו וּבִשְׁתַּיִם יְעוֹפֵף. ג וְקָרָא זֶה אֶל-זֶה וְאָמַר קָדוֹשׁ קָדוֹשׁ קָדוֹשׁ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת מְלֹא כָל-הָאָרֶץ כְּבוֹדוֹ. ד וַיָּנֻעוּ אַמּוֹת הַסִּפִּים מִקּוֹל הַקּוֹרֵא וְהַבַּיִת יִמָּלֵא עָשָׁן. ה וָאֹמַר אוֹי-לִי כִי-נִדְמֵיתִי כִּי אִישׁ טְמֵא-שְׂפָתַיִם אָנֹכִי וּבְתוֹךְ עַם-טְמֵא שְׂפָתַיִם אָנֹכִי יוֹשֵׁב: כִּי אֶת-הַמֶּלֶךְ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת רָאוּ עֵינָי. ו וַיָּעָף אֵלַי אֶחָד מִן-הַשְּׂרָפִים וּבְיָדוֹ רִצְפָּה בְּמֶלְקַחַיִם לָקַח מֵעַל הַמִּזְבֵּחַ. ז וַיַּגַּע עַל-פִּי וַיֹּאמֶר הִנֵּה נָגַע זֶה עַל-שְׂפָתֶיךָ וְסָר עֲו*ֹנֶךָ וְחַטָּאתְךָ תְּכֻפָּר. ח וָאֶשְׁמַע אֶת-קוֹל אֲדֹנָי אֹמֵר אֶת-מִי אֶשְׁלַח וּמִי יֵלֶךְ-לָנוּ וָאֹמַר הִנְנִי שְׁלָחֵנִי.

א בשנת-מות המלך עזיהו ואראה את-אדני ישב על-כסא רם ונשא ושוליו מלאים את-ההיכל. ב שרפים עמדים ממעל לו שש כנפים שש כנפים לאחד: בשתים יכסה פניו ובשתים יכסה רגליו ובשתים יעופף. ג וקרא זה אל-זה ואמר קדוש קדוש קדוש יהוה צבאות מלא כל-הארץ כבודו. ד וינעו אמות הספים מקול הקורא והבית ימלא עשן. ה ואמר אוי-לי כי-נדמיתי כי איש טמא-שפתים אנכי ובתוך עם-טמא שפתים אנכי יושב: כי את-המלך יהוה צבאות ראו עיני. ו ויעף אלי אחד מן-השרפים ובידו רצפה במלקחים לקח מעל המזבח. ז ויגע על-פי ויאמר הנה נגע זה על-שפתיך וסר עונך וחטאתך תכפר. ח ואשמע את-קול אדני אמר את-מי אשלח ומי ילך-לנו ואמר הנני שלחני.

Inconnu · 06-25-2003, 07:43 AM

A book is a book is a book
It sits on a shelf with all the rest
You take one down, to high to select
Read a page, digest and reflect
Maybe not, who cares, no loss
A book is a book is a book

Ithankyou

abe smith · 06-25-2003, 07:50 AM

You want to define your term *love*. Darth Dane? Apart from the circular "God is Love"; "God" is undefined/undefinable, either..... Abe

emotional · 06-25-2003, 07:59 AM

Isaiah 6 is one of my favorite Bible chapters. I've done a Unicode testing and posted it here in three versions: one with cantillation marks, one with vowel-points alone, and one without marks at all. The first version should work only if you have the correct font installed (such as Arial Unicode MS, which comes with MS Office 2000).

All samples are from the Mechon Mamre website:
http://www.mechon-mamre.org

Darth Dane · 06-25-2003, 08:22 AM

You want to define your term *love*. Darth Dane? Apart from the circular "God is Love"; "God" is undefined/undefinable, either..... Abe

Love is the joy of everything and anything that exists.(absolutely)
Love is Sat-Chit-Ananda, being-conciousness-bliss

Love is also the Love of Star Wars, or it stems from the same source!

I dunno, maybe you can help me define it better?

DD - Love & Laughter

emotional · 06-25-2003, 08:27 AM

Darth Dane, are you a Christo-Hindu or a Hindu-Christian?

Star Wars Theology... hmmm... the Gospel according to Luke Skywalker...

mongrel · 06-25-2003, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Dane
Definition of God: 1st John 4:7-8. God is Love

The Kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21

Does this mean when we bring out Love in our being that we are touching the kingdom of God?

Hmmm, I'm still eagerly awaiting the answer to this:

Quote:

I was asked why I would bring in bible stuff, for an almost all heathen site.

And I have another question; why would you acknowledge a question directed at you, but not answer it?

Darth Dane · 06-25-2003, 04:00 PM

Sorry I thought I had answered.

Different people asks different questions, different questions different answers

DD - Love & Laughter

Daggah · 06-25-2003, 06:21 PM

Darth Dane, you're not making sense...you never make sense.

You have NO chance of ever converting anyone with your nonsense.

06-25-2003, 03:32 AM	#1
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	If it isn't Love it isn't God Definition of God: 1st John 4:7-8. God is Love The Kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21 Does this mean when we bring out Love in our being that we are touching the kingdom of God? And that the more we Love the more we touch? How much can we touch? We bond with God by choosing Love before we choose anything else. By choosing Love you are praying? By chossing Love what do we draw closer to? If anything is accredited to being God's commands or God's wishes or of God, then there must be Love as Love is the very definition of what/who God Is. Hell - To be in Hell is not to have Love, If God sends anyone to Hell, God is without Love, as Forgiveness is one of the attributes of Love. So God can not send you to Hell, because it would not be a loving thing to do, especially if it is for all eternity. So if anyone goes to Hell it is because they choose the least amount of Love they can possibly do. There is still self-love from the individual who are in Hell, they chose it remember. Sin - Sin can be to not to choose Love. If The kingdom of God is inside and God is Love, then by not chossing Love we Sin. So the only Sin of any importance is by not choosing Love as the very first thing that enters your being when you awake and by choosing Love as the very last thing before you go to sleep. Is there another topic in christianity that I miss as being important? When you see others act, you can see how close they are to the kingdom of God by seeing how much Love(and forgiveness) they have. So everyone has part of this kingdom, only in varying degrees. Even if you don't believe in God, I still say that Love is the greatest thing, and will still be able to see how close they are to the ideal of Love. Love gives Life, Hate takes Life If God is Love, then I will still exist after leaving my physical body, I will be given a new life in a new sphere of existance. So the crusades are not of God, it wasn't Love from the christians that met the "infidels" it may have been in the name of God(Love) but it surely wasn't Love. If it is Love it is God DD - Love & Laughter

06-25-2003, 07:38 AM	#2
emotional Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Boxing ring of HaShem, Jesus and Allah Posts: 1,945	Just testing... ישעיהו פרק ו א בִּשְׁנַת־מוֹת֙ הַמֶּ֣לֶךְ עֻזִּיָּ֔הוּ וָֽאֶרְאֶ֧ה אֶת־אֲדֹנָ֛י יֹשֵׁ֥ב עַל־כִּסֵּ֖א רָ֣ם וְנִשָּׂ֑א וְשׁוּלָ֖יו מְלֵאִ֥ים אֶת־הַֽהֵיכָֽל׃ ב שְׂרָפִ֨ים עֹֽמְדִ֤ים ׀ מִמַּ֨עַל֙ ל֔וֹ שֵׁ֧שׁ כְּנָפַ֛יִם שֵׁ֥שׁ כְּנָפַ֖יִם לְאֶחָ֑ד בִּשְׁתַּ֣יִם ׀ יְכַסֶּ֣ה פָנָ֗יו וּבִשְׁתַּ֛יִם יְכַסֶּ֥ה רַגְלָ֖יו וּבִשְׁתַּ֥יִם יְעוֹפֵֽף׃ ג וְקָרָ֨א זֶ֤ה אֶל־זֶה֙ וְאָמַ֔ר קָד֧וֹשׁ ׀ קָד֛וֹשׁ קָד֖וֹשׁ יְהוָ֣ה צְבָא֑וֹת מְלֹ֥א כָל־הָאָ֖רֶץ כְּבוֹדֽוֹ׃ ד וַיָּנֻ֨עוּ֙ אַמּ֣וֹת הַסִּפִּ֔ים מִקּ֖וֹל הַקּוֹרֵ֑א וְהַבַּ֖יִת יִמָּלֵ֥א עָשָֽׁן׃ ה וָֽאֹמַ֞ר אֽוֹי־לִ֣י כִֽי־נִדְמֵ֗יתִי כִּ֣י אִ֤ישׁ טְמֵֽא־שְׂפָתַ֨יִם֙ אָנֹ֔כִי וּבְתוֹךְ֙ עַם־טְמֵ֣א שְׂפָתַ֔יִם אָֽנֹכִ֖י יוֹשֵׁ֑ב כִּ֗י אֶת־הַמֶּ֛לֶךְ יְהוָ֥ה צְבָא֖וֹת רָא֥וּ עֵינָֽי׃ ו וַיָּ֣עָף אֵלַ֗י אֶחָד֙ מִן־הַשְּׂרָפִ֔ים וּבְיָד֖וֹ רִצְפָּ֑ה בְּמֶ֨לְקַחַ֔יִם לָקַ֖ח מֵעַ֥ל הַמִּזְבֵּֽחַ׃ ז וַיַּגַּ֣ע עַל־פִּ֔י וַיֹּ֕אמֶר הִנֵּ֛ה נָגַ֥ע זֶ֖ה עַל־שְׂפָתֶ֑יךָ וְסָ֣ר עֲוֹנֶ֔ךָ וְחַטָּֽאתְךָ֖ תְּכֻפָּֽר׃ ח וָֽאֶשְׁמַ֞ע אֶת־ק֤וֹל אֲדֹנָי֙ אֹמֵ֔ר אֶת־מִ֥י אֶשְׁלַ֖ח וּמִ֣י יֵֽלֶךְ־לָ֑נוּ וָֽאֹמַ֖ר הִנְנִ֥י שְׁלָחֵֽנִי׃ א בִּשְׁנַת-מוֹת הַמֶּלֶךְ עֻזִּיָּהוּ וָאֶרְאֶה אֶת-אֲדֹנָי יֹשֵׁב עַל-כִּסֵּא רָם וְנִשָּׂא וְשׁוּלָיו מְלֵאִים אֶת-הַהֵיכָל. ב שְׂרָפִים עֹמְדִים מִמַּעַל לוֹ שֵׁשׁ כְּנָפַיִם שֵׁשׁ כְּנָפַיִם לְאֶחָד: בִּשְׁתַּיִם יְכַסֶּה פָנָיו וּבִשְׁתַּיִם יְכַסֶּה רַגְלָיו וּבִשְׁתַּיִם יְעוֹפֵף. ג וְקָרָא זֶה אֶל-זֶה וְאָמַר קָדוֹשׁ קָדוֹשׁ קָדוֹשׁ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת מְלֹא כָל-הָאָרֶץ כְּבוֹדוֹ. ד וַיָּנֻעוּ אַמּוֹת הַסִּפִּים מִקּוֹל הַקּוֹרֵא וְהַבַּיִת יִמָּלֵא עָשָׁן. ה וָאֹמַר אוֹי-לִי כִי-נִדְמֵיתִי כִּי אִישׁ טְמֵא-שְׂפָתַיִם אָנֹכִי וּבְתוֹךְ עַם-טְמֵא שְׂפָתַיִם אָנֹכִי יוֹשֵׁב: כִּי אֶת-הַמֶּלֶךְ יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת רָאוּ עֵינָי. ו וַיָּעָף אֵלַי אֶחָד מִן-הַשְּׂרָפִים וּבְיָדוֹ רִצְפָּה בְּמֶלְקַחַיִם לָקַח מֵעַל הַמִּזְבֵּחַ. ז וַיַּגַּע עַל-פִּי וַיֹּאמֶר הִנֵּה נָגַע זֶה עַל-שְׂפָתֶיךָ וְסָר עֲוֹנֶךָ וְחַטָּאתְךָ תְּכֻפָּר. ח וָאֶשְׁמַע אֶת-קוֹל אֲדֹנָי אֹמֵר אֶת-מִי אֶשְׁלַח וּמִי יֵלֶךְ-לָנוּ וָאֹמַר הִנְנִי שְׁלָחֵנִי. א בשנת-מות המלך עזיהו ואראה את-אדני ישב על-כסא רם ונשא ושוליו מלאים את-ההיכל. ב שרפים עמדים ממעל לו שש כנפים שש כנפים לאחד: בשתים יכסה פניו ובשתים יכסה רגליו ובשתים יעופף. ג וקרא זה אל-זה ואמר קדוש קדוש קדוש יהוה צבאות מלא כל-הארץ כבודו. ד וינעו אמות הספים מקול הקורא והבית ימלא עשן. ה ואמר אוי-לי כי-נדמיתי כי איש טמא-שפתים אנכי ובתוך עם-טמא שפתים אנכי יושב: כי את-המלך יהוה צבאות ראו עיני. ו ויעף אלי אחד מן-השרפים ובידו רצפה במלקחים לקח מעל המזבח. ז ויגע על-פי ויאמר הנה נגע זה על-שפתיך וסר עונך וחטאתך תכפר. ח ואשמע את-קול אדני אמר את-מי אשלח ומי ילך-לנו ואמר הנני שלחני.

06-25-2003, 07:43 AM	#3
Inconnu Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: here Posts: 121	A book is a book is a book A book is a book is a book It sits on a shelf with all the rest You take one down, to high to select Read a page, digest and reflect Maybe not, who cares, no loss A book is a book is a book Ithankyou

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06-25-2003, 07:50 AM	#4
abe smith Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: springfield, MA. USA Posts: 2,482	You want to define your term love. Darth Dane? Apart from the circular "God is Love"; "God" is undefined/undefinable, either..... Abe

06-25-2003, 07:59 AM	#5
emotional Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Boxing ring of HaShem, Jesus and Allah Posts: 1,945	Isaiah 6 is one of my favorite Bible chapters. I've done a Unicode testing and posted it here in three versions: one with cantillation marks, one with vowel-points alone, and one without marks at all. The first version should work only if you have the correct font installed (such as Arial Unicode MS, which comes with MS Office 2000). All samples are from the Mechon Mamre website: http://www.mechon-mamre.org

06-25-2003, 08:22 AM	#6
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	You want to define your term love. Darth Dane? Apart from the circular "God is Love"; "God" is undefined/undefinable, either..... Abe Love is the joy of everything and anything that exists.(absolutely) Love is Sat-Chit-Ananda, being-conciousness-bliss Love is also the Love of Star Wars, or it stems from the same source! I dunno, maybe you can help me define it better? DD - Love & Laughter

06-25-2003, 08:27 AM	#7
emotional Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Boxing ring of HaShem, Jesus and Allah Posts: 1,945	Darth Dane, are you a Christo-Hindu or a Hindu-Christian? Star Wars Theology... hmmm... the Gospel according to Luke Skywalker...

06-25-2003, 04:00 PM	#9
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Sorry I thought I had answered. Different people asks different questions, different questions different answers DD - Love & Laughter

06-25-2003, 06:21 PM	#10
Daggah Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Deployed to Kosovo Posts: 4,314	Darth Dane, you're not making sense...you never make sense. You have NO chance of ever converting anyone with your nonsense.

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