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Jimmy Higgins · 06-13-2003, 12:31 PM

A car drove past my car on the highway and it had a "I am saved" like bumper sticker. This made me think. The word "save" is a rather strong one. It denotes that danger will exist. Seeing that god is in control, the only danger that will be able to exist will be at god's own will. For a person to be saved, there must either be a written record prior to the event where as choosen individuals will be spared this danger, or a person must under go some sort of ritual in order to be passed over when the danger comes.

This all sounds so archaic to me. How is this any different than any other god? While Jesus seemed to promote peace, the crucifixion and the revelation both seem to be connections to a vengeful god while Jesus is the only link to a happy god. Why is there so much ancient folklore in the "New" Testament?

Secondly, did Jesus warn of a Revelation?

Magus55 · 06-13-2003, 12:41 PM

The Christian God is different than any other God, because all other God's require some form of works to be done to receive salvation ( Im well aware that works are important in Christianity - but they come after Salvation, not before). Christianity is the only one where God does all the work to save humanity, the only thing we need to do is believe.

Religion is man's way of reaching God, Christianity is God's way of reaching man.

And yes, Jesus did warn of Revelation and the end times.

Bree · 06-13-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
And yes, Jesus did warn of Revelation and the end times.

Correction, if I may: Jesus warned people of the end times, but to my knowledge (we may not be using the same Bible) he did not warn of the Revelation.

If I'm wrong, please provide the verse so I may be enlightened.

Jimmy Higgins · 06-13-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
The Christian God is different than any other God, because all other God's require some form of works to be done to receive salvation ( Im well aware that works are important in Christianity - but they come after Salvation, not before). Christianity is the only one where God does all the work to save humanity, the only thing we need to do is believe.

Religion is man's way of reaching God, Christianity is God's way of reaching man.

And yes, Jesus did warn of Revelation and the end times.

1) You never addressed the issue I brought previously on why it was necessary for an archaic human sacrifice to atone mankind.
2) Care to support your conclusion on Jesus and Armageddon?
3) Work is required to be saved by God. You must believe. That is an action.

Mageth · 06-13-2003, 12:50 PM

The Christian God is different than any other God, because all other God's require some form of works to be done to receive salvation

Are you sure about that? Not all mythologies even have the concept of needing "salvation". So if you don't need salvation, obviously you don't need to work for salvation, nor do you need grace for salvation.

Religion is man's way of reaching God, Christianity is God's way of reaching man.

Christianity is a religion; therefore it is just another way for man to try to reach god.

emotional · 06-13-2003, 01:04 PM

Christianity: look ma, no works needed. Truly a religion for lazy people.

You're still going to hell, Magus.

Magus55 · 06-13-2003, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Bree
Correction, if I may: Jesus warned people of the end times, but to my knowledge (we may not be using the same Bible) he did not warn of the Revelation.

If I'm wrong, please provide the verse so I may be enlightened.

He doesn't use the word Revelation, He just discusses revelation and His second coming. Read Mat 25 for starters.

Magus55 · 06-13-2003, 01:11 PM

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You're still going to hell, Magus. [/B]

Says who? Don't judge lest ye be judged. I don't judge atheists myself, I only present what God said concerning judgement. You seem, however, to be Judging me as though you were God.

braces_for_impact · 06-13-2003, 01:12 PM

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Christianity is the only one where God does all the work to save humanity, the only thing we need to do is believe.

That's right, you can do whatever the hell you want. Lie, murder, steal, be an obnoxius fundie on an atheist board, whatever. As long as you believe. Also, what is work to an omnipotent and infinite being?

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Religion is man's way of reaching God, Christianity is God's way of reaching man.

Sounds like a nice catch phrase, but in all your times on this board you have failed to demonstrate the uniqueness and validity of Christianity over any other religion. And before you start your rant about how we atheists have already made our decision blah blah blah, please remember that I have yet to see you even sway one theist here on II with regards to any religious topic at hand.

emotional · 06-13-2003, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Don't judge lest ye be judged. I don't judge atheists myself, I only present what God said concerning judgement. You seem, however, to be Judging me as though you were God.

I'm not judging you, I'm just telling you the truth. Take it or leave it. Anyone who worships the Devil goes to Hell. You're worshipping the Devil (yes, the Christian God is the Devil), so you're going to Hell. It's not eternal but it's unpleasant all the same.

06-13-2003, 12:31 PM	#1
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	More archaic Bible Babel A car drove past my car on the highway and it had a "I am saved" like bumper sticker. This made me think. The word "save" is a rather strong one. It denotes that danger will exist. Seeing that god is in control, the only danger that will be able to exist will be at god's own will. For a person to be saved, there must either be a written record prior to the event where as choosen individuals will be spared this danger, or a person must under go some sort of ritual in order to be passed over when the danger comes. This all sounds so archaic to me. How is this any different than any other god? While Jesus seemed to promote peace, the crucifixion and the revelation both seem to be connections to a vengeful god while Jesus is the only link to a happy god. Why is there so much ancient folklore in the "New" Testament? Secondly, did Jesus warn of a Revelation?

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06-13-2003, 12:41 PM	#2
Magus55 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 7,204	The Christian God is different than any other God, because all other God's require some form of works to be done to receive salvation ( Im well aware that works are important in Christianity - but they come after Salvation, not before). Christianity is the only one where God does all the work to save humanity, the only thing we need to do is believe. Religion is man's way of reaching God, Christianity is God's way of reaching man. And yes, Jesus did warn of Revelation and the end times.

06-13-2003, 12:50 PM	#5
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	The Christian God is different than any other God, because all other God's require some form of works to be done to receive salvation Are you sure about that? Not all mythologies even have the concept of needing "salvation". So if you don't need salvation, obviously you don't need to work for salvation, nor do you need grace for salvation. Religion is man's way of reaching God, Christianity is God's way of reaching man. Christianity is a religion; therefore it is just another way for man to try to reach god.

06-13-2003, 01:04 PM	#6
emotional Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Boxing ring of HaShem, Jesus and Allah Posts: 1,945	Christianity: look ma, no works needed. Truly a religion for lazy people. You're still going to hell, Magus.

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