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Gar · 05-29-2002, 01:39 PM

Well, I'm pretty new to the evolution/creationism board, so I was just wondering what kind of arguments for creation there are.

Now obviously I am not looking for "God created the world", I'm looking for scientific evidence.

Furthermore, I am not interested in attempts to disprove evolution. I'm not claiming that evolution is perfect here, I just want to hear the argument for creationism and not against evolution.

Kosh · 05-29-2002, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Gar:
Well, I'm pretty new to the evolution/creationism board, so I was just wondering what kind of arguments for creation there are.

Now obviously I am not looking for "God created the world", I'm looking for scientific evidence.

Furthermore, I am not interested in attempts to disprove evolution. I'm not claiming that evolution is perfect here, I just want to hear the argument for creationism and not against evolution.

The Bible says so.

LiveFreeOrDie · 05-29-2002, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Gar:
I just want to hear the argument for creationism and not against evolution.

(The sound of crickets chirping off in the distance...)

Oolon Colluphid · 05-29-2002, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Gar:
Well, I'm pretty new to the evolution/creationism board, so I was just wondering what kind of arguments for creation there are.

Now obviously I am not looking for "God created the world", I'm looking for scientific evidence.

Furthermore, I am not interested in attempts to disprove evolution. I'm not claiming that evolution is perfect here, I just want to hear the argument for creationism and not against evolution.

This thread, and the questions in it, ought to be a permanent fixture on any discussion board on this topic.

Come on, creationists. Please, don't merely try and counter evolution: show how your hypothesis fits the facts better. To paraphrase an English expression: Come an' have a go if you think your science is hard enough.

Gar: <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> Welcome to E/C!

Oolon

Gar · 05-29-2002, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Kosh:


The Bible says so.

*sigh*

...

Do I really need to respond to this? I'm assuming that there are at least some rational creationists out there.

Again, I'm looking for scientific evidence. Do I really need to post a definition of scientific?

Oolon Colluphid · 05-29-2002, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Gar:

Do I really need to respond to this?

Nope. Kosh is one of 'us'.

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I'm assuming that there are at least some rational creationists out there.

Rational... creationists... sorry. I don't understand. You do know what an oxymoron is, yeah?

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Again, I'm looking for scientific evidence. Do I really need to post a definition of scientific?

Please do. Any watching creationists might do well to note it.

TTFN, Oolon

Gar · 05-29-2002, 02:42 PM

Ahhh! Right, sorry about that. Come to think of it it's not like a fundy to be that brief.

KeithHarwood · 05-29-2002, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Gar:
Ahhh! Right, sorry about that. Come to think of it it's not like a fundy to be that brief.

Trouble is that Kosh is right. That is the scientific evidence for creationism. All of it. Many creationist self-styled "scientists" have signed an oath saying so.

Duvenoy · 05-29-2002, 04:01 PM

Hi Gar,

I'm sure you already have the talk.origons link. There you may view all of the creationist's arguments. It is excellent, recreational reading.

But, here's a site that'll really give you a giggle:

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/</a>

The plain fact is that there is exactly zero, scientific evidence for a Creator and all of the frothing rants and even the reasoned arguments of the Creationists cannot change that.

But they keep on trying, not, I think, to change science but to gain converts.

H. sapiens is a strange creature.

d

foursquareman · 05-29-2002, 04:34 PM

Hey, I am new here. I noticed that many of you are very intelligent. Please go easy on me, as I am not.

First, if our universe is growing, it must have a beginning and an end. Is that too much of a jump?

I think that if the universe can change, it cannot have always been. Because something that has always existed would not change.

If you agree with me on that, then the universe had to come from a timeless, unchanging source. If the universe has a beginning, it cannot have created itself, am I right?

Therefore, if you still agree with me up to here, regardless of whether evolution is the process which was used, at some point, the universe ahd to be created.

I hope that seems logical, and helpful.

05-29-2002, 01:39 PM	#1
Gar Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 347	General question for creationists Well, I'm pretty new to the evolution/creationism board, so I was just wondering what kind of arguments for creation there are. Now obviously I am not looking for "God created the world", I'm looking for scientific evidence. Furthermore, I am not interested in attempts to disprove evolution. I'm not claiming that evolution is perfect here, I just want to hear the argument for creationism and not against evolution.

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05-29-2002, 02:42 PM	#7
Gar Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 347	Ahhh! Right, sorry about that. Come to think of it it's not like a fundy to be that brief.

05-29-2002, 04:01 PM	#9
Duvenoy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Just another hick from the sticks. Posts: 1,108	Hi Gar, I'm sure you already have the talk.origons link. There you may view all of the creationist's arguments. It is excellent, recreational reading. But, here's a site that'll really give you a giggle: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/</a> The plain fact is that there is exactly zero, scientific evidence for a Creator and all of the frothing rants and even the reasoned arguments of the Creationists cannot change that. But they keep on trying, not, I think, to change science but to gain converts. H. sapiens is a strange creature. d

05-29-2002, 04:34 PM	#10
foursquareman Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 63	Hey, I am new here. I noticed that many of you are very intelligent. Please go easy on me, as I am not. First, if our universe is growing, it must have a beginning and an end. Is that too much of a jump? I think that if the universe can change, it cannot have always been. Because something that has always existed would not change. If you agree with me on that, then the universe had to come from a timeless, unchanging source. If the universe has a beginning, it cannot have created itself, am I right? Therefore, if you still agree with me up to here, regardless of whether evolution is the process which was used, at some point, the universe ahd to be created. I hope that seems logical, and helpful.

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