gilly54

According to this article, archeologists who have been digging around in the OT lands, the Exodus never happened. The Hebrews pretty much stayed in their area of the Middle East, sacrificing goats and curing leprosy by applying sheep blood to their right ear, thumb and big toe, as instructed by God.

There has been no evidence found in Egypt of Hebrews living there, let along being enslaved. Recent archeological digs have revealed that the builders of the pyramids were Egyptians, not Hebrew slaves. National Geographic showed a very good TV documentary on this not long ago.

Kinda puts the kabosh on Passover.....

Volker.Doormann

The text of the legend of Sargon can also read in English bottom of that side of the German translation doormann.org/sargon01.htm

Yes, but the 'historic' Moses is listed in the Hebrew time line AFAIK with about 1500 B.C.E. and the historic Sargon with 2300 B.C.E. That's makes some 800 years Sargon has lived earlier.

Sargon has told his 'hand has capured Dilmun'. The Encyclopedia of Archetypal Symbolism wites: "The first known account of a paradisiacal garden appears on a cuneiform tablet from ancient Sumer. Here we learn of the mythical place called Dilmun, a pure, clean, bright place where sickness, violence, and old age do not exist. At first this paradise lacks only one thing: water. Eventually this is provided by the Sumerian water god, Enki. At once, Dilmun is transformed into a garden of fruit trees, edible plants, and flowers. Dilmun, however, is a paradise for the gods alone and not for human beings, although one learns that Ziusudra (= Utnapishtim, the Sumerian
counterpart of Noah) was exceptionally admitted to the divine garden."

This paradisiacal garden, which is called in Hebrew 'gan eden', what means "Garden of joy", has also taken place in the Hebrew Genesis 2. But the elements which symbols the very physical act of creating life through a 'tree of life in midst the garden of joy' are forgotten to the religions. The former holy character of Dilmun or Gan Eden was inverted by fools to a sin.

There are many symbols to understand in the Hebrew bible as symbols for the human life and his spiritual soul.

There are no historical events in that Pentateuch. There never was a historically Moses.

Volker

tk

This is interesting. But I'm still curious: is there any evidence that "Egypt" and "Israel" originally referred to spiritual concepts, rather than physical things? I've tried Googling through for this, but to no avail...

Boro Nut

Nah. He staged it all himself. He probably soaked it in water first.

Boro Nut

Amos

Have you never watched a group of charismatics "extract water out of stone?"

Volker.Doormann

Please look for symbols in the scriptures. 'Egypt' is always connected with 'down'. All VIP's in the OT must go 'down' to Egypt and often this was a bondage scenario. As one can learn from the Codex of Manu 'The Manusmriti' doormann.org/manuslaw.txt, a 'firstborn' is connected to the birth of physical life, but a 'twiceborn' is the birth of the soul consciousness. This vedic terms from India from before 1500 B.C.E. were implemented p.e. in the story of Moses, as the dying 'firstborn Egypt's' (the physical body), while the soul transfers a sea back home into the home of the soul as a symbol to cross a sea to reach that (spiritual) home as many times dramatized p.e. in the Gilgamesh Epos.

The twelve astrological houses are aligned form east over south to west and from west over north to east cutting the ecliptic in 4 times 3 houses in 4 quadrants. OT: "And Balaam lifted up his eyes , and he saw Israel abiding [in his tents] according to their tribes ..." one can read in Numbers 24:2. A physical alignment of 12 tribes with a half million people without woman and child's is from the logistic point of view nonsense. Why 'Israel' can be seen by magicians (Astrologers = Baalam) (only) on the sky??? Each meaning of the 12 Hebrew names of the sons of Jakob are related to astrological terms.

There are some hints in Jewish mysticism, which belongs to the zodiac history of the Jews which they called 'Mazzeroth'. (Google: => ) "Ein Mazal LeYisrael" ['Israel is unaffected from the zodiac']. Or: "The zodiac is first mentioned in Jewish sources in Sefer Yezirah (the earliest extant Hebrew text of systematic, speculative thought, with discussions of a distinctively mystical nature; written sometime between the 3rd and 6th centuries), where the names given to the 12 signs are direct Hebrew translations of the Latin names. A later publication, the Yalkut Shimoni (best known and most comprehensive anthology of midrashim, dating somewhere around the 12th-13th century) associates the 12 signs of the zodiac with the 12 tribes of Israel . In medieval Midrash on the festivals of the year (Pesikta Rabbati), a passage occurs which explains the names of the signs homiletically in accordance with Jewish history."

Volker

Boro Nut

No I haven't actually. There aren't that many around these parts. Am I missing something? I have seen one before, but only on the telly. I couldn't see what all the fuss was about personally, but to each their own they say. It could have been a pebble though. What is a stone exactly?

Boro Nut

There is a dredger on the Tees called the 'Moses' that spends all it's time extracting stones out of water. Is this the same thing?

Amos

"To get water out of a stone" is a hyperbole used to point at the impossible. Their apparent success is, of course, not the HS but the angel of light (Lucifer) who serves them as a substitude and it is therefore that they have to "pray up a storm" to get this "HS down from heaven" (as they call it). The evidence that this is the angel of light is that it will leave them as soon as they part company, which in turn is sufficient cause for repeat performances that leads to the yo-yo effect that prevails in the mind of these people and in those circles at large. From this follows that more and more ministers are needed to cater to these moodswings and the next thing you know is that they go searching for more powerfull preachers and more innovative (serpentine) techniques to get some action going (like 'insiders' etc.). Many are happy to pay in anticipation to receive.

This already happened to the children of Israel way back them. Here it is said that the manna, which was second hand through Moses (our modern day evangelist), dried up or wilted each morning and had to be renewed, etc.