Starboy

Sorry, not an explanation. All your doing is regurgitating what you think happened. Okay Magus55, now I am going to mess with your mind. If god did indeed know what would happen and he did put it into the bible and gave it to Adam, it would change nothing. Think about it.

Starboy

Magus55

Actually it would have made a difference. Suppose, God wrote the Bible completely, and handed the full version to Adam, who passed it down through History. The Bible ( and God) would have been a liar because they state that Moses, Apostles etc. wrote the Bible. If God already wrote what Moses was gonna write down, Moses never actually wrote it down - He just got a book with his entire life already written, with no surprises. Moses also wouldn't have been a good leader for God, because He would have already known what God wanted him to do. He would know that God would appear as a burning bush, and use him to free the slaves. He would know exactly how it would happen, and wouldn't have to rely on faith. It also would bring about a big contradiction. Moses is surprised and fears some of the things that goes on, because He witnesses God's power. If its all written down already for Him, its not exactly something to fear since you know its coming.

Starboy

Magus55, think again.

Magus55

Nope, iv'e thought it through quite thoroughly. And why is this such a big deal to you? What difference does it make whether God gave the Bible to Adam, or Dictated it to Moses?

Starboy

It doesn't make any difference to me, because Genesis is a myth and the bible is no more significant than any other religious document. What I find interesting is how your story changed and how easy it was for you to attribute actions to god for a situation that was never covered in the bible. It is so funny how creatures with a finite mind can pretend with sincerity that they could ever understand the mind of an infinite being that would know everything.

Starboy

Calzaer

You mean like Jeremiah 25:12 where it's written that Babylon will be in perpetual desolation? Babylon isn't desolated yet... it's present-day Iraq. The bit between the Tigris and Euphrates is some of the most beautiful country in the world. Similarly, Isaiah 13:19-20 that says Babylon will never again be inhabited. It's inhabited.

Or Isaiah 17:1, that says Damascus will be destroyed and never again inhabited? It's still there, still inhabited. Maybe this is one that just "has yet to take place".

Or 19:5, that says the Nile will dry up? Yeah, that's likely.

Or how about 19:23-24, where it is proclaimed that there will be an alliance between Egypt, Isreal, and Assyria? It hasn't happened yet, and probably won't since Assyria doesn't exist as a country anymore.

Then there's 52:21, that says "Henceforth there shall no more come into thee [Jerusalem] the uncircumcised and the unclean." That certainly didn't come true at all. Lots of unclean people have come and gone from Jerusalem since then.

Then, silliest of all, 60:12 says nations that don't serve Isreal will perish. Yeah, that's going real well. Not.

Oh, and let's not forget that even the New Testament doesn't fulfill some rather important prophecies. Check out 7:14 - Jesus was NEVER EVER called "Emmanuel". OOps. God makes a typo?

And that's just Isaiah, and not even all of it!

Quite a few prophetical events that never happened, and can't happen anymore. But I'm still supposed to believe this book is the literal word of God?

Godot

Shouldn't this read: think for a change?

Godot

So when the higher criticism came into being, you ducked out of the room? Open your eyes Magus and realise that there is no internal consistency within the pentateuch suggesting a similar author! Unless of course, you think that Moses was schizophrenic? But since he was acting as scribe for someone else...

spurly

Here is another twist to this. When a child is born you don't give them the keys to their first car, their high school diploma, their first dictionary, etc. You give them only what they need at that time.

God works the same way. When Adam was first created, he didn't need the whole of Scripture. All he needed to know was that he was a special creation of the Almighty God, which I'm sure God revealed to him on their many walks in the Garden. He also needed to know that if he wanted to live, really live, then he needed to stay away from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

And God revealed to him exactly what he needed to know.

The rest of the stuff wasn't important until after the Fall when God began working to bring mankind back to himself.

Kevin

Starboy

spurly, it wouldn't matter. If god can know the future and direct the future it can do it any way it wants. The question you have to ask yourself is how a god could hold humans accountable for their actions without providing a rule book. You should also ask yourself how you could possible think yourself competent to speak for god. And then ask yourself how something so screwed up and clearly mythological could have any basis in reality.

Starboy