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Friend · 03-21-2002, 11:16 AM

After doing my own personal research and living being friends with a bilogist who does cancer and protien research, I find that evolution and creation exsist together. To me, creation is the explanation of the beginning. Evolution helps to explain how things came to be. When I talk about evolution, I do not mean macro-evolution, I refer to micro-evolution. Giving the time period between Homo-Sapiens and the questionable origin (which is the same source for the apes), humans were given enough time to evolve to the state that we are in now.

As a Christian, I cannot dismiss the fact that mico-evolution is possible (humans taking a million years or so to be who we are now). If I dismiss it, I place God in a box. If I take the creation story as the only way God created things and the changes in human life, I place God in another box.

Putting is plainly, Evolution is the science of where we came from, Creation is the Spiritual connection of how we came to be.

~ Friend ~

Friend · 03-21-2002, 11:17 AM

sorry about any tipogrphical errors

ex-robot · 03-21-2002, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Friend:
<strong>After doing my own personal research and living being friends with a bilogist who does cancer and protien research, I find that evolution and creation exsist together. To me, creation is the explanation of the beginning. Evolution helps to explain how things came to be. When I talk about evolution, I do not mean macro-evolution, I refer to micro-evolution. Giving the time period between Homo-Sapiens and the questionable origin (which is the same source for the apes), humans were given enough time to evolve to the state that we are in now.

As a Christian, I cannot dismiss the fact that mico-evolution is possible (humans taking a million years or so to be who we are now). If I dismiss it, I place God in a box. If I take the creation story as the only way God created things and the changes in human life, I place God in another box.

Putting is plainly, Evolution is the science of where we came from, Creation is the Spiritual connection of how we came to be.

~ Friend ~

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Hey friend, mico or micro-evolution is not in dispute in of itself. It happens. Everybody sees it happening.

xr

DarkBronzePlant · 03-21-2002, 02:41 PM

Hey guys, is this a first? A Christian in this forum who at least gets that evolution does not attempt to explain "how it all started"?

MadMordigan · 03-21-2002, 02:58 PM

Welcome Friend.

I'll echo the above congradulations.

ex-robot · 03-21-2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by DarkBronzePlant:
<strong>Hey guys, is this a first? A Christian in this forum who at least gets that evolution does not attempt to explain "how it all started"?

</strong>

Are you talking about the forum with Creation in the title and the question, Did life evolve or was it created?

xr

Jubal · 03-21-2002, 04:27 PM

OK, do you care to explain to us why you believe in a creator? If you don't wish to discuss that here, I understand. However, I would really like to hear about your reasons for believing. I don't necessarily expect an epistemological explanation, there is really no shame in counting one's family or community as a major influence (I just don't care to join you in it...ever).

bynature · 03-21-2002, 05:13 PM

You have some real dilemas to deal with in trying to sell theistic-evolution to the ones who have difficulty seeing the handiwork of deity everywhere. One has to throw out the Book of Genesis(many have done so) to say that God used evolution to get from primordial ooze to homo erectus.

Genesis says that God made the cosmos and everything in it in 6 days. It says He made man fully formed and a woman from a part of man. Such statements are completely in contradiction to the various theories of evolution. They cannot both be right. They could both be wrong.

Evolution is the religion of science. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it takes to believe in God. The evidence of deity is everywhere. The evidence of evolution is still floating somewhere in panspermia.

In either case both of these subjects should be considered in religion class--you cannot see God in a test tube--evolution either. Most people like to believe in evolution--without God--that way they think they do not have to answer to Him.

Theistic-evolution does not wash folks--let us spin it again.

depraved bynature

MrDarwin · 03-21-2002, 05:26 PM

Like most Christians, Friend understands what most creationists and other fundamentalists simply cannot: there is nothing about evolution that disproves or denies the existence of god(s). I simply cannot fathom why they have such a visceral, emotional antipathy to the idea of evolution, especially when they themselves claim to believe in an omnipotent and omniscient deity, for whom using evolution as a tool to create life would pose no problem whatsoever.

bynature · 03-21-2002, 05:55 PM

This is to HMS Beagle:

I suppose trying to ponder how a 747 could have resulted from an explosion in a junkyard is a worthwhile expenditure of time. Now, let's find out what we are doing here and where we are going--this planet is getting very crowded.

The real point of this: why can we not accept what God has said and quit trying to discredit the scripture with spurious, unproven conjecture and speculation that only serves to confuse.

03-21-2002, 11:16 AM	#1
Friend Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: home Posts: 31	A Christian's view of Evolution and Creation After doing my own personal research and living being friends with a bilogist who does cancer and protien research, I find that evolution and creation exsist together. To me, creation is the explanation of the beginning. Evolution helps to explain how things came to be. When I talk about evolution, I do not mean macro-evolution, I refer to micro-evolution. Giving the time period between Homo-Sapiens and the questionable origin (which is the same source for the apes), humans were given enough time to evolve to the state that we are in now. As a Christian, I cannot dismiss the fact that mico-evolution is possible (humans taking a million years or so to be who we are now). If I dismiss it, I place God in a box. If I take the creation story as the only way God created things and the changes in human life, I place God in another box. Putting is plainly, Evolution is the science of where we came from, Creation is the Spiritual connection of how we came to be. ~ Friend ~

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03-21-2002, 11:17 AM	#2
Friend Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: home Posts: 31	sorry about any tipogrphical errors

03-21-2002, 02:41 PM	#4
DarkBronzePlant Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA USA Posts: 3,568	Hey guys, is this a first? A Christian in this forum who at least gets that evolution does not attempt to explain "how it all started"?

03-21-2002, 02:58 PM	#5
MadMordigan Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 2,704	Welcome Friend. I'll echo the above congradulations.

03-21-2002, 04:27 PM	#7
Jubal Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NC-US Posts: 98	OK, do you care to explain to us why you believe in a creator? If you don't wish to discuss that here, I understand. However, I would really like to hear about your reasons for believing. I don't necessarily expect an epistemological explanation, there is really no shame in counting one's family or community as a major influence (I just don't care to join you in it...ever).

03-21-2002, 05:13 PM	#8
bynature Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. U.S.A. Posts: 5	You have some real dilemas to deal with in trying to sell theistic-evolution to the ones who have difficulty seeing the handiwork of deity everywhere. One has to throw out the Book of Genesis(many have done so) to say that God used evolution to get from primordial ooze to homo erectus. Genesis says that God made the cosmos and everything in it in 6 days. It says He made man fully formed and a woman from a part of man. Such statements are completely in contradiction to the various theories of evolution. They cannot both be right. They could both be wrong. Evolution is the religion of science. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it takes to believe in God. The evidence of deity is everywhere. The evidence of evolution is still floating somewhere in panspermia. In either case both of these subjects should be considered in religion class--you cannot see God in a test tube--evolution either. Most people like to believe in evolution--without God--that way they think they do not have to answer to Him. Theistic-evolution does not wash folks--let us spin it again. depraved bynature

03-21-2002, 05:26 PM	#9
MrDarwin Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,140	Like most Christians, Friend understands what most creationists and other fundamentalists simply cannot: there is nothing about evolution that disproves or denies the existence of god(s). I simply cannot fathom why they have such a visceral, emotional antipathy to the idea of evolution, especially when they themselves claim to believe in an omnipotent and omniscient deity, for whom using evolution as a tool to create life would pose no problem whatsoever.

03-21-2002, 05:55 PM	#10
bynature Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, La. U.S.A. Posts: 5	This is to HMS Beagle: I suppose trying to ponder how a 747 could have resulted from an explosion in a junkyard is a worthwhile expenditure of time. Now, let's find out what we are doing here and where we are going--this planet is getting very crowded. The real point of this: why can we not accept what God has said and quit trying to discredit the scripture with spurious, unproven conjecture and speculation that only serves to confuse.

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