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GunnerJ · 07-07-2002, 10:57 AM

<a href="http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/Pledge/main.asp" target="_blank">Pledge Cartoons</a>

Pics and Pans?

Most of them are sickeningly dumb, but there are a few goodies.

copernicus · 07-07-2002, 11:44 AM

You were right that most were sickeningly dumb. Oliphant has written a <a href="http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/183/oped/The_spirit_of_the_pledge+.shtml" target="_blank">good July 2 editorial</a> about the pledge and his
<a href="http://www.ucomics.com/patoliphant/2002/07/01/" target="_blank">July 1 cartoon</a> is also very good.

DougI · 07-07-2002, 04:45 PM

I wonder if Christians and Christianity were so violently attacked when they banned alcohol.

cydonia · 07-07-2002, 05:21 PM

Most of those were pretty insulting, especially the Godless infidels one. Lame.

freemonkey · 07-07-2002, 06:27 PM

Most of those were pretty disgusting. I liked the kid with the sign that read "put Gawd back in the public skoolz".

And I agree, the one about godless infidels is in extremely bad taste.

Solsticin · 07-08-2002, 04:49 AM

DUDE WTF!!!

DougI · 07-08-2002, 05:37 AM

It's like a bunch of Nazis who claimed Jews were the fault of Germany losing the first world war. Now we were responsible for the terrorist attacks. With all the religious inspired nationalism I better pack my bags for the nearest concentration camp.

capsaicin67 · 07-08-2002, 06:20 AM

That little character that always talks in the corner of Oliphant's cartoons [I'm sure he has a name or a term to refer to him but I sure as heck don't know what it is]is my favorite. He's saying that the phrase "underinformed" should replace "under god"! LOL! That is SO perfect. A drop of validation in a sea of fundamentalism!
It is scary to see how the herd mentality takes over and carries a bad, bad idea, and partial truths, to such a fever pitch. Its interesting to hear people in public talk about events like the rise of the Nazis, the McCarthy era, etc etc, and they really say that they can't understand how the people went along with it----how did that happen? When history takes place without the benefit of documentary replay by replay, in real time, people show their butts. Historical embarrassments and travesties often don't take place pre-announced, nor do they often happen in one fell swoop. They happen gradually and through a series of everyday choices and require an informed populace that uses insight, vision, and courage to understand its current events and to prevent historical embarrassments/tragedies. I'm seeing next to no major opinion leaders sharing the full story on the Pledge issue. Their pandering is set on max. Yowza.

eowynn · 07-08-2002, 07:10 AM

The person I feel sorry for in all of this is the daughter of the man who filed the suit. Regardless of how this turns out, she is going to have a terrible time of it at school, and there is no atheist private school her dad can send her to...

ManM · 07-08-2002, 09:10 AM

eowynn,
I'm with you on this one.

From Newdow's interview on <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/26/Newdow.cnna/index.html" target="_blank">CNN</a>:
"My daughter is in the lawsuit because you need that for standing. I brought this case because I am an atheist and this offends me, and I have the right to bring up my daughter without God being imposed into her life by her schoolteachers. So she did not come and say she was ostracized."

It makes me sick to think that he just used his daughter "because you need that for standing". She is now going to have a very hard life.

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07-07-2002, 11:44 AM	#2
copernicus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,531	You were right that most were sickeningly dumb. Oliphant has written a <a href="http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/183/oped/The_spirit_of_the_pledge+.shtml" target="_blank">good July 2 editorial</a> about the pledge and his <a href="http://www.ucomics.com/patoliphant/2002/07/01/" target="_blank">July 1 cartoon</a> is also very good.

07-07-2002, 04:45 PM	#3
DougI Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Wichita, KS, USA Posts: 932	I wonder if Christians and Christianity were so violently attacked when they banned alcohol.

07-07-2002, 05:21 PM	#4
cydonia Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: southern california Posts: 1,002	Most of those were pretty insulting, especially the Godless infidels one. Lame.

07-07-2002, 06:27 PM	#5
freemonkey Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: hell if I know Posts: 2,306	Most of those were pretty disgusting. I liked the kid with the sign that read "put Gawd back in the public skoolz". And I agree, the one about godless infidels is in extremely bad taste.

07-08-2002, 04:49 AM	#6
Solsticin Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Grand Prairie, Texas Posts: 435	DUDE WTF!!!

07-08-2002, 05:37 AM	#7
DougI Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Wichita, KS, USA Posts: 932	It's like a bunch of Nazis who claimed Jews were the fault of Germany losing the first world war. Now we were responsible for the terrorist attacks. With all the religious inspired nationalism I better pack my bags for the nearest concentration camp.

07-08-2002, 06:20 AM	#8
capsaicin67 Contributor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gold coast plain, sea, scrubland, mountain range. Posts: 20,955	That little character that always talks in the corner of Oliphant's cartoons [I'm sure he has a name or a term to refer to him but I sure as heck don't know what it is]is my favorite. He's saying that the phrase "underinformed" should replace "under god"! LOL! That is SO perfect. A drop of validation in a sea of fundamentalism! It is scary to see how the herd mentality takes over and carries a bad, bad idea, and partial truths, to such a fever pitch. Its interesting to hear people in public talk about events like the rise of the Nazis, the McCarthy era, etc etc, and they really say that they can't understand how the people went along with it----how did that happen? When history takes place without the benefit of documentary replay by replay, in real time, people show their butts. Historical embarrassments and travesties often don't take place pre-announced, nor do they often happen in one fell swoop. They happen gradually and through a series of everyday choices and require an informed populace that uses insight, vision, and courage to understand its current events and to prevent historical embarrassments/tragedies. I'm seeing next to no major opinion leaders sharing the full story on the Pledge issue. Their pandering is set on max. Yowza.

07-08-2002, 07:10 AM	#9
eowynn Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 58	The person I feel sorry for in all of this is the daughter of the man who filed the suit. Regardless of how this turns out, she is going to have a terrible time of it at school, and there is no atheist private school her dad can send her to...

07-08-2002, 09:10 AM	#10
ManM Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: NW Florida, USA Posts: 1,279	eowynn, I'm with you on this one. From Newdow's interview on <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/26/Newdow.cnna/index.html" target="_blank">CNN</a>: "My daughter is in the lawsuit because you need that for standing. I brought this case because I am an atheist and this offends me, and I have the right to bring up my daughter without God being imposed into her life by her schoolteachers. So she did not come and say she was ostracized." It makes me sick to think that he just used his daughter "because you need that for standing". She is now going to have a very hard life.

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