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Dr Theo · 03-16-2002, 03:52 PM

Hi everybody, I have written the essay at:
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/johnnormansp/nextstep/" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/johnnormansp/nextstep/</a>
and I would like to start a discussion group on all aspects of this issue. Not merely to discuss my own essay, obviously, but for any input pro or con, ideas of any kind concerning Jehovah and the War on Terrorism.
Thanks, and a big welcome to all joiners of every stripe!

hinduwoman · 03-16-2002, 04:34 PM

John, it is a good post, but I don't think equating Jehovah with terrorists would gain you much support!.

Maybe you could say diplomatically that the people who wrote about Jehovah/Allah wanted to justify their versions of terrorist activities. After all, since God does not exist, that is the unvarnished truth.

Anyway, I liked it. Terrorism of all kinds must be suppressed, instead of being allowed indulgence in the name of religion.

Dr Theo · 03-19-2002, 01:40 AM

Dear Hindu Woman,
I agree with you that sacred scriptures were written by humans without any inside knowledge on God, but I still like the article's idea of putting Jehovah on the US State Department's terrorist blacklist.

You see, telling people that God does not exist, or is unknowable in any case, doesn't really have much effect.

But, taking a story from their very own scriptures and showing how it runs radically against another of their cherished beliefs (and in this case a good one, that targeting civilians is morally wrong) can have the effect of making them reconsider the question as to if those Bible stories are really true, or, in the case of faith, if we would even like them to be true.

That is the idea of the article, besides any appeal it may have as science fiction.
The author, John Norman

03-20-2002, 01:17 PM

John I have not read the article but will respond
along the line that wrongfull interpretation of the bible leads to terroism of all sorts. It is actually meant to be that way and is why the bible was written because peace on earth would make heaven redundant!

[ March 20, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]

Toto · 03-20-2002, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amos:
John I have not read the article but will respond along the line that wrongfull interpretation of the bible leads to terroism of all sorts. It is actually meant to be that way and is why the bible was written because peace on earth would make heaven redundant!

Amos, if you take the words "wrongful interpretation of" out of the above statement, it starts to make sense.

That is if you think god has a malicious sense of humor.

[ March 20, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]

03-20-2002, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Toto:


Amos, if you take the words "wrongful interpretation of" out of the above statement, it starts to make sense.

That is if you think god has a malicious sense of humor.

Yes but Toto, it is the mythmakers who wrote the bible and they were inpsired to promote the well-being of their own civilization. They slanted the good book in their favor so they would have ambitious insiders do their dirty work.

God doesn't care and does not have an agenda but Lord God does and Lord God is man in the image of God here inspired to promote God in their own civilization. The ambitious insiders are the fundamentalists who don't know the difference between parable and reality and will both kill and die for their salvation in which they have invested lifelong sacrifices.

God is like me owning all of Las Vegas in which case I do not care where you gamble your life savings away. The compettition is between the merchants and down below is where the battle rages and wars are fought.

Toto · 03-20-2002, 03:43 PM

Uh, Amos, nevermind.

Dr. Theo, I'm afraid your ideas are not controversial enough here to spark a discussion. I guess we all agree that monotheism is the same as terrorism.

03-20-2002, 03:55 PM

Good essay, and I have argued that the best thing for America would be to gather all the Bibles from North to South and burn them in a windrow from West to East. This would vacate all the churches that can't survive without them and as a result peace will soon be restored around the world. Heck, you might even see Bin Laden and company rebuilt the Twin Towers in America as a bonus.

Did you know that all fundies kill their own firstborn and therefore have gone mad? They are the Pharaoh's with the hardened heart and therefore cannot get out of Egypt themselves because of unbelief contained in the paradox sinful yet saved.

Answerer · 03-21-2002, 05:09 AM

Well Amos, I have a better idea why not keep the bible and let the future generations learn more about our ancestors' stupid mistakes.

03-21-2002, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Answerer:
Well Amos, I have a better idea why not keep the bible and let the future generations learn more about our ancestors' stupid mistakes.

That's exactly how things go wrong. History only repeates itself because some are mesmerised by the bible and others are enslaved to it because they have killed their firstborn child in which they are to mature and become fuly man.

Opposite to this is the "infallibility" of the Catholic Church. Infallible means to be in charge of destiny and to be in charge of destiny, not the bible (antiquated letter), but our freedom in the mind of God must be in charge of our destiny.

The mistakes you see were caused by the fundies of its day and they are stupid because you/we think the same (or there would not be an overhelming majority of Americans behind Bush in this war).

[ March 21, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]

03-16-2002, 03:52 PM	#1
Dr Theo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: d Posts: 7	Jehovah and the War on Terrorism Hi everybody, I have written the essay at: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/johnnormansp/nextstep/" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/johnnormansp/nextstep/</a> and I would like to start a discussion group on all aspects of this issue. Not merely to discuss my own essay, obviously, but for any input pro or con, ideas of any kind concerning Jehovah and the War on Terrorism. Thanks, and a big welcome to all joiners of every stripe!

03-20-2002, 01:17 PM	#4
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	John I have not read the article but will respond along the line that wrongfull interpretation of the bible leads to terroism of all sorts. It is actually meant to be that way and is why the bible was written because peace on earth would make heaven redundant! [ March 20, 2002: Message edited by: Amos ]</p>

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03-16-2002, 04:34 PM	#2
hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	John, it is a good post, but I don't think equating Jehovah with terrorists would gain you much support!. Maybe you could say diplomatically that the people who wrote about Jehovah/Allah wanted to justify their versions of terrorist activities. After all, since God does not exist, that is the unvarnished truth. Anyway, I liked it. Terrorism of all kinds must be suppressed, instead of being allowed indulgence in the name of religion.

03-19-2002, 01:40 AM	#3
Dr Theo Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: d Posts: 7	Dear Hindu Woman, I agree with you that sacred scriptures were written by humans without any inside knowledge on God, but I still like the article's idea of putting Jehovah on the US State Department's terrorist blacklist. You see, telling people that God does not exist, or is unknowable in any case, doesn't really have much effect. But, taking a story from their very own scriptures and showing how it runs radically against another of their cherished beliefs (and in this case a good one, that targeting civilians is morally wrong) can have the effect of making them reconsider the question as to if those Bible stories are really true, or, in the case of faith, if we would even like them to be true. That is the idea of the article, besides any appeal it may have as science fiction. The author, John Norman

03-20-2002, 03:43 PM	#7
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Uh, Amos, nevermind. Dr. Theo, I'm afraid your ideas are not controversial enough here to spark a discussion. I guess we all agree that monotheism is the same as terrorism.

03-20-2002, 03:55 PM	#8
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	Good essay, and I have argued that the best thing for America would be to gather all the Bibles from North to South and burn them in a windrow from West to East. This would vacate all the churches that can't survive without them and as a result peace will soon be restored around the world. Heck, you might even see Bin Laden and company rebuilt the Twin Towers in America as a bonus. Did you know that all fundies kill their own firstborn and therefore have gone mad? They are the Pharaoh's with the hardened heart and therefore cannot get out of Egypt themselves because of unbelief contained in the paradox sinful yet saved.

03-21-2002, 05:09 AM	#9
Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	Well Amos, I have a better idea why not keep the bible and let the future generations learn more about our ancestors' stupid mistakes.

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