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Old 02-14-2002, 09:17 AM   #11
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<strong>jack,
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sidewinder,
sorry for being unclear - my final statement was meant to imply that i was not a christian though i sometimes admire the sheer brazeness with which some employ circular reasoning to defend their contradictory beliefs...
hope this clears it up

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bb: Read in this light, it makes sense to me now. I must be a little dense today.

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Old 02-14-2002, 09:26 AM   #12
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It's along the lines of "God is love, but needs to be sucked up to, or there will be madness and anger and you will be cast into hell"

Now, I read a lot of magazines, and they provide a lot of relationship advice. What they say, when a human lover acts in this manner, is that this isn't the act of someone who loves you, this is the act of someone who wants to control you.

Obviously, it would be foolish to believe everything I read, but I think it's a fair point, no?
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<strong>It's along the lines of "God is love, but needs to be sucked up to, or there will be madness and anger and you will be cast into hell"

Now, I read a lot of magazines, and they provide a lot of relationship advice. What they say, when a human lover acts in this manner, is that this isn't the act of someone who loves you, this is the act of someone who wants to control you.

Obviously, it would be foolish to believe everything I read, but I think it's a fair point, no?</strong>
Sort of the "God the Abusive Father" theory, eh?

"YOU BETTER LOVE ME, OR ELSE......!"

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Old 02-14-2002, 10:33 AM   #14
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Originally posted by b@rtleby:
<strong>jack,
thank you...


sidewinder,
sorry for being unclear - my final statement was meant to imply that i was not a christian though i sometimes admire the sheer brazeness with which some employ circular reasoning to defend their contradictory beliefs...
hope this clears it up

bb</strong>
Urrkkk... sorry for the flames, then... I think I'm a little spacey today.
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Old 02-16-2002, 08:05 AM   #15
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You know... Christians never take into consideration what Paul spoke on (though I find him inconsistent)

He said something like,"If those who were NOT circumcised (physically-which was a custom in order to set oneself apart to God) keep the law requirements (by way of love which fulfills the law anyhow) will THEY NOT BE REGARDED as though THEY WERE?

So, the one who is NOT circumcised will CONDEMN YOU (I see it as christian or Jew - same principle)who even though you have a "code" of circumcision, are a law breaker.

The people He is talking to are Jews but the same principal applies to christians if they make their stand on the law even proving their hypocrisy.


In Romans 2:17 on
He says, "You call yourself a Jew (Or christian): If you rely on the law and BRAG about your relationship to God (common lol!) If you know His will (as most think they do)and approve of what is superior because your instructed by the law (as they are) If you are convinced that you are a "guide for the blind" (sarcastic tone here lol!), a "light" for those who are in the dark. An instructor of the "foolish" (this is how some think of themselves), a teacher of infants, because you have "in the law" the embodiment of knowledge and truth (which they often think they do)

You then (to the same people)who teach others do YOU NOT TEACH YOURSELVES? (see? No man should teach you) You then who preach against stealing (or arrogance or whatever the hell else there is to be preached against) Do you steal? (or are you arrogant, full of hate, a jerk etc.)Etc.

As it is written (so is the reality today) Gods name is blasphemed among the gentiles BECAUSE OF YOU (Jew OR Christian)

I think that is true don't you? Even an athiest could agree that because of christians and their representation one could consider attributing that God is a skitzoid ass.


Another thought, you don't even need to be part of their faith or have faith...

In Romans chapter 3 says, "What if some did not have faith" will their LACK of faith NULLIFY Gods faithfulness? NOT AT ALL, let God be true (to who he is) and EVERY man be a liar.


So basically their attitude is condemned by their own verses.
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