Jimmy Higgins

If you work with any sort of drilling operation, or engineering firm that has to deal with these type of shales, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.

Its called the Red Bedford. Its crappy rock with more slickensides that you can imagine. In fact, my office logs were questioned because of the number I noted. A qualified geologist confirmed my inspection. Not only does it have slickensides, but the stuff is junky. Its weathered. Very weathered. In fact, the first foot in some cases, where you can start coring, it is residual soil. The issue with the Red Bedford is that it is located beneath the Chagrin Shale. Which itself, is under the Berea Sandstone, which is under the Sunbury Shale. Well, this is the case in Garfield Heights (a suburb of Cleveland). Yet, when the red bedford is reached, it is still weathered. Perhaps not as much as when it is the immediate underlying bedrock, but there is significant weathering.

How the heck is this possible under a flood model? Is this evidence against the Flood model?

RRoman

No, God just put it there to annoy you

Kevbo

What flood model? "There was a flood?"

Ab_Normal

[fundie]No, no, Satan put it there to lead us astray![/fundie]

ps418

Oh, a vertisol. That's a minor problem compared to some other formations, where literally dozens or hundreds of mature paleosols are stacked atop each other. From my paleosol bibliography:

Some of my favorite refs from the bibliography:

Gill, S., amd Yemane, K., 1996. Implications of a Lower Pennsylvanian Ultisol for equatorial Pangean climates and early, oligotrophic, forest ecosystems. Geology: Vol. 24, No. 10, pp. 905–908.

Kraus, M.J., 1999. Paleosols in clastic sedimentary rocks: their geologic applications, Earth-Science Reviews 47 (1-2), pp. 41-70.

Migon, P., and Lidmar-Bergström, K., 2001. Weathering mantles and their significance for geomorphological evolution of central and northern Europe since the Mesozoic, Earth-Science Reviews 56 (1-4), pp. 285-324.

Retallack, G.J., 1990. Soils of the past: an introduction to paleopedology. Blackwell Science, 512p.

Retallack, G.J., and Krull, E., 1996. Permian and Triassic paleosols and paleoenvironments of the central Transantarctic Mountains, Antarctica. Antarctic Journal of the United States Review 1996.

Wright, V.P., Turner, M.S, Andrews, J.E., and Spiro, B., 1995. Morphology and significance of super-mature calcretes from the Upper Old Red Sandstone of Scotland. Journal of the Geological Society 150, pp. 871-883.

Patrick