Radorth

Buffman, if I wanted to win some "war" you say I'm a part of, I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time with this choir. To me, the only value of these exchanges it what we can all learn about those complex and insightful people who framed our Constitution.

Rad

Buffman

I agree about the learning...though I sincerely hope that it has been and continues to be a two-way street.

hezekiah jones

Your post is so long on ranting, irrelavent websites, etc, and short on facts worthy of slander, I think I'll abstain from arguing with you.

My post had very little to do with you. It had to do with your idiot source and the comical irony of his KKK reference. Anyway you don't argue at all. Slander is defamation of a transitory, read oral, nature. These boards are not transitory. If you knew how to argue you would use the correct terminology and support your baseless suggestion of defamation.

Although you don't know the difference between John Adams and his son, I wouldn't call you stupid.

I made an error and corrected it immediately, literally within minutes.

"Tendentious" and "ignorant" do come to mind in your case.

Crack a dictionary next time before you compose your cheap insults. I'm not promoting any cause. And you impute sleazy apologetics to "skeptics," your favorite bugaboos, but I'm ignorant?

Thanks for the rare moment of amusement. I knew you still had it in you.

Toto

Rad - the website is a highly biased one, which Buffman has spent some time pointing out the error in. Its purpose was to find every scrap of evidence that would show how religious early Americans were.

My points were that 1. this action predates the First Amendment, so it can hardly be used as a guide for what the First Amendment means or what the founders intended by it; 2. "divine services" were recommended but not required - which is consistant with the founders' desire not to favor one religious sect over another. The choice of services is left up to the individual, as it is today.

ybnormal

ANY other 50+ dead men on the planet could be made to be appear just as "complex" as you do these.

The ONLY thing that has made these men and this whole issue "complex", is "you xians" realizing that you had absolutely NOTHING with which to kick-start your completely phony "xian nation" propaganda blitz, which your leaders thought necessary to counter our court system's kicking your god out of "the public square" as your fellow xian Falwell puts it.

Soooooooo, you were then forced into digging up every personal letter ever written by these men, then you were forced into searching these letters for any tiny implication that could be misconstrued, misquoted or misdirected, and then you were forced into dealing with the devil of The Holy Media Empire of Pat Robertson in order to do your own hypocritical work of satan, which was to corrupt the minds of more sheep like yourself, not to mention, corrupting the good names of those fine Founding Fathers and the work of art that they Created.

Repeating... there is absolutely NO "evidence" of some "Christian Nation" or some elusive complexity to be discovered. The ONLY evidence there is now, the ONLY evidence there ever was, and the ONLY evidence there will ever be, is wholly contained within the official documents of this Country.

If these official documents said what you wanted them to say, "you xians" would never have been forced to go digging up old personal letters and political speeches in the first place. PERIOD!

There is nothing "complex" about this.

Your entire presence here Rad, clearly exposes just another microcosm of the larger, xian propaganda campaign meant to "Baffle'em with Bullshit" in order to politically solidify your perceived supremacy.

Only when you are old and gray will you possibly realize what a manipulated pawn you allowed yourself to become, so many decades earlier. A mind is indeed a terrible thing to waste, certainly when it also trashes a man's personal integrity in the process.

Peace anyway

ybnormal

Sorry, Rad... I didn't mean to get ahead of you, but I answered you here (above), before you asked the question over there. This is getting spooky, huh?

ybnormal

then...
Thanks for the assistance with today's demonstration, Rad.

Let me see now... when you say, "Christians realize", don't you mean ALL xians realize...? If not, exactly how many and which Christians are you speaking for? Are you not speaking for ALL xians, as a single group?

Can each and every one of your billion+ members, individually speak for the entire group of the xian membership like you do? I mean, we do see xians do this all the time. Are there any restrictions regarding certain issues that you are not allowed to so represent the entirety of Christianity? Are there any restrictions regarding certain sub-groups where you are not allowed to represent the entirety of Christianity? Can you trump whatever the Pope said earlier today? If not, why not?

I'm serious here. How is it that you can speak publicly for the whole of Christianity in one instance and not in another? Do you see the obvious confusion?

If you can say, "Christians realize...", then you can just as rightly say, "us Christians" realize... And if you can say that, then why can't I also say, "xians realize..."? And when talking to you directly, what could possibly be wrong with my saying, "you xians" realize..., when it's perfectly OK for you to say, "us Christians" realize...?

Do you see what I mean? Can you explain what appears to be an obvious double standard there?

So, if individual xian member Radorth, when talking to me, speaks about and for ALL Christians as a single group, then how am I in error, when I respond back to you, speaking about and to to ALL "you xians" as a single group?

Where please, or how, am I in error, saying to you Radorth, "you xians" realize...?

Radorth

I meant the Christians here, but not all people who call themselves same. Based on what I've heard from the Christians who post on three different Secweb forums (that is the more active ones), I think very few would say they are not sinners. One cannot become a Christian without acknowledging that. But I'm sure you can find an exception, like Helen.

I don't think it is a "double standard" I'm advocating if the statement is true and Christians listening do not object to it. But by all means keep it up. It isn't hurting my case at all.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

I really don`t mean this as an insult,but I have no idea what you`re talking about. I`ve followed your posts since you first got here and you haven`t made a case for anything.

Maybe I missed it?

Radorth

Funny how you and ten other Rad chasers keep "wasting" bandwidth then. I must conclude you think most readers are stupid.

I prefer to think the majority of them like a good debate, but that may be wishful thinking on a forum where "Problems with Radorth" is so popular. I worry some of them may be Howard Stern, Jerry Springer, and Fenton Mulley fans.


Rad