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Chimp · 06-22-2003, 10:43 AM

The poet William Blake wrote:

Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
In the forests of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry

...

According to the CTMU(Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe) of Chris Langan, our objective reality refines itself from the quantity called ...unbound telesis, a protean hypermedium free of informational constraint i.e. non distinctional.

Chris Langan has explained that the unbound telesis(UBT) is "beyond symmetry".

This is where the logic of the CTMU fails.

A perfect symmetry is equivalent to "no distinctions can be made". All translations, rotations, operations, etc, are non distinctional for a perfect, or "infinite" symmetry.

UBT is not beyond symmetry.

The CTMU is refuted

Chimp

Russell E. Rierson

Chimp · 06-22-2003, 02:03 PM

At the ISCID Brainstorms Chris Langan wrote:

Quote:

No, UBT and SCSPL are not defined as "two separate things", any more than a chunk of ice floating in a pond is a "separate thing" from the water in the pond. The water in the pond is where the chunk of ice came from and what it is essentially composed of, but the crystalline lattice structure of the ice does not distribute over the pond, and the water in the pond is not distributively bound by this structure. The molecules in the liquid-phase H20 have more degrees of freedom than those in the ice; they are less constrained, and less bound. All that you need do in order to apply this analogy is to take it to its logical conclusion while generalizing your usual idea of containment, replacing ice with SCSPL, the pond and its molecules of liquid water with UBT, and the crystalline molecular lattice of the ice with an SCSPL logic lattice, and to relax your grip on the tidy little picture of a chunk of ice with extrinsic measure bobbing around "in" the water. Any metric imputed to UBT must be intrinsically derivable within SCSPL domains (e.g., by intrinsic mutual exclusion).

A "phase change" from water to ice, is a transformation from a higher symmetry condition to a lower symmetry condition.

UBT would then have a higher symmetry than the self distributing SCSPL syntax with the crystalline lattice structure.

So how can this enigmatic riddle of riddles called the "UBT" be "beyond symmetry"?

Russ

06-22-2003, 10:43 AM	#1
Chimp Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: USA Posts: 376	The CTMU is Refuted The poet William Blake wrote: Tyger! Tyger! burning bright In the forests of the night What immortal hand or eye Could frame thy fearful symmetry ... According to the CTMU(Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe) of Chris Langan, our objective reality refines itself from the quantity called ...unbound telesis, a protean hypermedium free of informational constraint i.e. non distinctional. Chris Langan has explained that the unbound telesis(UBT) is "beyond symmetry". This is where the logic of the CTMU fails. A perfect symmetry is equivalent to "no distinctions can be made". All translations, rotations, operations, etc, are non distinctional for a perfect, or "infinite" symmetry. UBT is not beyond symmetry. The CTMU is refuted Chimp Russell E. Rierson

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