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Old 06-28-2002, 02:55 PM   #1
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Post Vouchers approved. Catholic schools win big, fundies too.

The Supremes have allowed vouchers and now my tax dollars can go to teaching religions which I do not agree with and to teaching anti-science. Now inner-city schools will really be horrible.

Yet, the biggest winner is the Catholic schools. They have the most schools and have tirelessly pushed for vouchers for decades. This is not entirely a bad thing, since most catholic schools are educationally strong and mostly pro-science,(even tepidly support evolution). The secondary winner are the fundy schools, and just thinking about them is enough to make me sick to my stomach.

Vouchers are not good. I am forced by law to pay federal, state and local taxes which support schools, yet now my money is going to teach kids religion which I do not believe. My tax dollars are now going to pay for classroom time spent opposing abortion and birthcontrol. Also my tax dollars will support the teaching of religious fantasies.

I know many of the public schools are bad, but this voucher thing just pisses me off. This is not a good thing. We will live to regret this court decision.
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Sending this to C-S separation where discussion of this issue is already in full swing.
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<a href="http://www.au.org/press/pr062702.htm" target="_blank">The battle over vouchers isn't over yet</a>
 
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My issue with vouchers isn't religious (well, it is, but religion is of secondary concern). As a teacher at a public university, I know that public education funds are *alredy* being stretched to their limits. We can't afford to take $$$ away from public schools! The voucher plan is ridiculous because schools don't budget ased on a "per child" number. if there are 5, 15, or 25 kids in a classroom, it still costs the same to light it, to heat it, to pay the schoolteacher's salary.

Here in Michigan, we voted down a voucher proposal last year for all these reasons, and more. The Supremes may have okayed the idea Constitutionally, but vouchers still suck on an academic, social, and economic level.

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Well there is a bright side to all this folks. Just think--now you can tell Baptist fundies that their hard-earned Baptist tax dollars are now going to be used to help fund vouchers for Hebrew and Islamic academies. The students can then marvel at the stupidity of American Christians.

But then we all know that there won't be any public money used for such proselytization, Don't we?
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sullster,
I am forced by law to pay federal, state and local taxes which support schools, yet now my money goes to teach kids philosophies in which I do not believe. My tax dollars are going to pay for classroom time spent teachings things such as birth control instead of classic academic subjects. Also my tax dollars support the teaching of idealistic fantasies.

I disagree with what they teach in public schools and I wish my money didn't support that system. Vouchers make it more fair because now the choice of education is where it belongs: in the hands of the parents.
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<strong>sullster,
I am forced by law to pay federal, state and local taxes which support schools, yet now my money goes to teach kids philosophies in which I do not believe. My tax dollars are going to pay for classroom time spent teachings things such as birth control instead of classic academic subjects. Also my tax dollars support the teaching of idealistic fantasies.

I disagree with what they teach in public schools and I wish my money didn't support that system. Vouchers make it more fair because now the choice of education is where it belongs: in the hands of the parents.</strong>
Do you believe it should be in the hands of the parents enough that they should foot the bill of their childrens education themselves?
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Hey, why are vouchers a bad thing?

All we need are a few secular entrepeneurs and some investors to start a network of secular private schools and we can use the majority's tax dollars to send our kids to our own nonreligious schools.

I believe that's what they refer to as poetic justice.
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<strong>sullster,
I am forced by law to pay federal, state and local taxes which support schools, yet now my money goes to teach kids philosophies in which I do not believe. My tax dollars are going to pay for classroom time spent teachings things such as birth control instead of classic academic subjects. Also my tax dollars support the teaching of idealistic fantasies.</strong>
Like what? BE SPECIFIC.
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<strong>(some purely secular schools that would take voucher money...)</strong>


In fact, some years back, some opponents of vouchers in California had used something like that tactic; some neo-pagans proposed starting a school that would take voucher money.

The voucher measure was defeated, so that school never came to pass. But it would have been fun to see what would have happened if the measure had passed.

I'm sure that the fundies would have foamed at the mouth over neo-pagans getting "their hard-earned money".
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