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sullster · 06-01-2002, 04:58 AM

Imagine a secluded town which was created by a person whom no one has seen, who claims to be moral and good. Certain people in the town say that unless you believe that the unseen person is real, you will be tortured by the same person.

As time goes by in the town, it does come to pass that those who don't believe in the unseen person are put into cellars where they are tortured. The people who believe in the unseen creator smugly look at those who still don't believe and say,"Look what is happening to them for not believing, and it will happen to you and not us because we believe". The believers smile and arrogantly walk away.

Yet, there still are unbelievers around the village. They not only still don't believe but they think that the creator is an immoral monster for torturing people who won't believe in what they can't see or measure. The unbelievers say to the believers;"How can you say that the creator is a moral person if he tortures people?"

The believers smugly respond,"The unbelievers brought the torture on themselves when they didn't believe, unlike us who are safe and good believers".
The unbelievers respond;"But your creator is indifferent to the evil of torture. How can torture, especially for a mental decision, be allowed by one claiming to be good? Also, the town's thieves and killers are not being tortured because they are believers. The town's creator is an immoral monster."

The believers smile at the unbelievers and say:"It not for us undertand the ways of the creator, only to know that we are safe from torture and you are not".

The unbelievers sighed and realized that their village's name was: Nihilism.

woodchuck · 06-01-2002, 08:57 PM

Imagine a town where people sit around and come up with stories that are ignorant and without paralell all day then post them on the internet trying to act philosophical. In this village the people do not really examine what they are trying to write stories about, they just write from assumptions and exaggertions. They are closed minded and immature in there writings yet love to call them selves "free thinkers" what is this village called? a load of crap.

Ok now imagine another town a man creates for a people he dearly loves, he creates the best town he could possibly make, and they walk in and kill him and take the credit for building it themselves, then they engrave on his tombstone "nihilist piece of crap." Well the people realize that the man who built the town was the only one who knew how to run the machines that kept it alive so they began to die slowly. Well one day the man comes back from the dead, he offers to maintain there town and make it beautiful and so healthy they would live forever. the townspeople lock him out of the town and walk around talking as if he does not exist, and saying horrible things about him as if he cannot hear as he stands at the gates watching them slowly suffer and die away, they blame the man for their suffering and say he is a nihilist because he does not stop it, all the while not allowing him in. This town also has a name: selfish arrogant pride.

Nothing like having good old story time on the Athe web.

Terracotta · 06-02-2002, 03:01 AM

Woodchuck...

Panta Pei · 06-02-2002, 03:20 AM

And when all is quiet...two individual humans posted their thoughts on devices developed by other humans using critical thinking skills from material that was once in different form writhing all within the flux of time and energy transference.

We all read the posts and then move on to our own personal evolution without the fixed anomaly that some merely dream up.

The anomaly of uncaused singularity in the face of perpetual plurality.

Truly a most complete delusion worthy of the narcissistic and sincerely frightened.

[ June 02, 2002: Message edited by: Panta Pei ]

bonduca · 06-02-2002, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodchuck:
Imagine a town where people sit around and come up with stories that are ignorant and without paralell all day then post them on the internet trying to act philosophical. In this village the people do not really examine what they are trying to write stories about, they just write from assumptions and exaggertions.

Why, that sounds like many Christian forums (but we let you guys post here anyway).

[ June 02, 2002: Message edited by: bonduca ]

Daydreamer · 06-02-2002, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodchuck:
Well one day the man comes back from the dead, he offers to maintain there town and make it beautiful and so healthy they would live forever...

But only if they acknoledge that He is absolutely perfect and beyond repraoch and that they are little worthless without His grace.

And only if they work to squash any sort of disagreement over Him, including people who would rather try to fix the town themselves rather than leave it up to someone who may or may not exist.

Anunnaki · 06-02-2002, 01:03 PM

Imagine a town where the majority have been either forced or fooled into believing outdated and misunderstood mythology.

Oh wait.... Thats not a town at all,thats planet Earth.

Get a life Woodchuck.

The Other Michael · 06-02-2002, 01:35 PM

Who is John Galt?

cheers,
Michael

woodchuck · 06-03-2002, 02:01 AM

I think we need to write a series here, sullster and I.

Anunnaki · 06-03-2002, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by woodchuck:
I think we need to write a series here, sullster and I.

I think you need to lay off the pipe for a while.

06-01-2002, 04:58 AM	#1
sullster Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North of Boston Posts: 1,392	Village of christian nihilism Imagine a secluded town which was created by a person whom no one has seen, who claims to be moral and good. Certain people in the town say that unless you believe that the unseen person is real, you will be tortured by the same person. As time goes by in the town, it does come to pass that those who don't believe in the unseen person are put into cellars where they are tortured. The people who believe in the unseen creator smugly look at those who still don't believe and say,"Look what is happening to them for not believing, and it will happen to you and not us because we believe". The believers smile and arrogantly walk away. Yet, there still are unbelievers around the village. They not only still don't believe but they think that the creator is an immoral monster for torturing people who won't believe in what they can't see or measure. The unbelievers say to the believers;"How can you say that the creator is a moral person if he tortures people?" The believers smugly respond,"The unbelievers brought the torture on themselves when they didn't believe, unlike us who are safe and good believers". The unbelievers respond;"But your creator is indifferent to the evil of torture. How can torture, especially for a mental decision, be allowed by one claiming to be good? Also, the town's thieves and killers are not being tortured because they are believers. The town's creator is an immoral monster." The believers smile at the unbelievers and say:"It not for us undertand the ways of the creator, only to know that we are safe from torture and you are not". The unbelievers sighed and realized that their village's name was: Nihilism.

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Panta Pei Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: in the middle of things Posts: 722	And when all is quiet...two individual humans posted their thoughts on devices developed by other humans using critical thinking skills from material that was once in different form writhing all within the flux of time and energy transference. We all read the posts and then move on to our own personal evolution without the fixed anomaly that some merely dream up. The anomaly of uncaused singularity in the face of perpetual plurality. Truly a most complete delusion worthy of the narcissistic and sincerely frightened. [ June 02, 2002: Message edited by: Panta Pei ]</p>

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06-01-2002, 08:57 PM	#2
woodchuck Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Coos Bay, OR Posts: 51	Imagine a town where people sit around and come up with stories that are ignorant and without paralell all day then post them on the internet trying to act philosophical. In this village the people do not really examine what they are trying to write stories about, they just write from assumptions and exaggertions. They are closed minded and immature in there writings yet love to call them selves "free thinkers" what is this village called? a load of crap. Ok now imagine another town a man creates for a people he dearly loves, he creates the best town he could possibly make, and they walk in and kill him and take the credit for building it themselves, then they engrave on his tombstone "nihilist piece of crap." Well the people realize that the man who built the town was the only one who knew how to run the machines that kept it alive so they began to die slowly. Well one day the man comes back from the dead, he offers to maintain there town and make it beautiful and so healthy they would live forever. the townspeople lock him out of the town and walk around talking as if he does not exist, and saying horrible things about him as if he cannot hear as he stands at the gates watching them slowly suffer and die away, they blame the man for their suffering and say he is a nihilist because he does not stop it, all the while not allowing him in. This town also has a name: selfish arrogant pride. Nothing like having good old story time on the Athe web.

06-02-2002, 03:01 AM	#3
Terracotta Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kentucky Posts: 369	Woodchuck... <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

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Anunnaki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: I`ve left and gone away Posts: 699	Imagine a town where the majority have been either forced or fooled into believing outdated and misunderstood mythology. Oh wait.... Thats not a town at all,thats planet Earth. Get a life Woodchuck.

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The Other Michael Honorary Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the fog of San Francisco Posts: 12,631	Who is John Galt? cheers, Michael

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woodchuck Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Coos Bay, OR Posts: 51	I think we need to write a series here, sullster and I.

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