yguy

They never created anything, they only manipulated existing materials.

paul30

Dear DK:

Since you quoted my timeless prose, I would like to answer your question, but I don't understand it.

It is very long, but it is not a complete sentence.

I grant you that not everyone would agree on what constitute proper childrearing techniques.

But not everyone agrees on laws against bank-robbery, and yet we have them.

dk

paul30: Since you quoted my timeless prose, I would like to answer your question, but I don't understand it.
It is very long, but it is not a complete sentence.
I grant you that not everyone would agree on what constitute proper childrearing techniques.
But not everyone agrees on laws against bank-robbery, and yet we have them.
dk: Let us try to break it down then…

1. X

1. : social services, psychiatry, foster care system, public education, and family courts…
   represents a list of Great Society Bureaucracies that have grown up (over the last 50 years) to re-engineer the post modern family.
   
2. Y: divorce law, welfare law, economic equality, and moral law
   lists of laws that govern the new agencies
   
3. Z: secular philosophies
   denotes a the brain trust or secular priesthood empowered to explain what it all means
4. Do you think the massive failure of X stems from the deconstruction of the nuclear family with Y under the mentorship of Z?

I agree not everyone appears to agree, and of those that appear to agree only a few understand the vested interests, and of those that understand what’s at stake only about .005% can provide a contextual distinction within a judicial framework. Perhaps you’ve hit the nail on the head saying we have a communication problem.

braces_for_impact

Geeze, even atheists or satanists can have kids now? I guess this country is going down the toilet huh?



Well, youthenasia set aside for now as that seems a seperate debate, of course we cannot kill indisciminately. It's wrong. Why? Because we as a human species have decided what is valued and what is not. Life is valued. Taking away a life against someone's will cheats them of their opportunity. We have created a society where we attempt to give everyone a fair shake by protecting the weak from the strong. It isn't perfect by an stretch of the imagination, but it works. We decide what is important, we make the rules and we enforce them.

As far as the rest of Darth's post is concerned, it all seems to boil down to the same old argment that one cannot have morality without some deity to give it to us. Man will never become truly moral until he realizes that morality comes from within, not without.

Invader Tak

Dude, you ever hear of menopause?

winstonjen

Fertility drugs should be able to get rid of any such problems. And if they can't, well, there's always IVF.

dk

dk: Can you say when it was that Satanists and atheists couldn’t parent children?

Darth Dane: Yet at the same token we are not allowed to take this life again, even if the life is to young or too old, or too weak or too strong, to im-practical or polluting.
braces_for_impact: Well, euthanasia set aside for now as that seems a separate debate, of course we cannot kill indiscriminately. It's wrong. Why? Because we as a human species have decided what is valued and what is not. Life is valued. Taking away a life against someone's will cheats them of their opportunity. We have created a society where we attempt to give everyone a fair shake by protecting the weak from the strong. It isn't perfect by an stretch of the imagination, but it works. We decide what is important, we make the rules and we enforce them.
As far as the rest of Darth's post is concerned, it all seems to boil down to the same old argment that one cannot have morality without some deity to give it to us. Man will never become truly moral until he realizes that morality comes from within, not without.
dk: Can you tell me when it’s ok to kill discriminately?

Why do you believe…

1. we take away life
2. we value life
3. we have created a society
4. we give everyone a fair chance
5. we decide what’s important
6. we make and enforce the rules

My biggest question: Who is WE?

Darth Dane

As far as the rest of Darth's post is concerned, it all seems to boil down to the same old argment that one cannot have morality without some deity to give it to us. Man will never become truly moral until he realizes that morality comes from within, not without.

Did I ever say it had to come from a deity or God?

But morality does come from within as I see it.

Oh and dk has an interesting question.

"We" are us, based on what another "We" decided before us, we follow in teh same track as the one they laid out before us.

Our "We" is based on the past actions of other humans, if we keep on looking to the past or are attached to the past, how can we ever change what Is Now?

If everything we do has to fit in with previous descriptions and actions we lock ourselves in a mental prison of rules that can't be broken, and if someone tries to break them, they get hanged to the cross, spitted upon and ridiculed.




DD - Love Spliff

dk

I don't see how morality can come from within us, when its "we" that tracks and changes what "IS NOW". If its "we" that directs our actions then morality follows from an externally enforced union of some sort.

Darth Dane

I don't see how morality can come from within us, when its "we" that tracks and changes what "IS NOW". If its "we" that directs our actions then morality follows from an externally enforced union of some sort.

No we see within our minds how we affect the world and how that in turns affects us, but "We" experience inside our heads/minds first, before the external world. Like in dreams, you are you...in a dream. Depending on circumstances you will adopt perhaps different morality, but it comes from within as I see it. You can go against your own morality and so on.




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