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Old 07-23-2002, 08:53 AM   #11
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Slay the idolaters??
Lie in wait for them with every ambush???
Leave their way free if they repent?

Oh yeah, this corrected translation is far more becoming. </strong>
I,m curious to know why you didn't read the entire post!?
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Old 07-23-2002, 08:58 AM   #12
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<strong>Does it really matter what the Koran or Bible actually says about violence?

If some fanatics want to use the fact that infidels aren't worshipping the true God (whatever version they have of Him) to justify the murder of others, they're going to and it doesn't matter if there is some specific passage or another that validates their homicide.

That applies to Christians, Muslims, Hindus, [insert random religion here]. The details of the text and whatever translations you want to make aren't important. They're all just stories anyways and their only relevance is in the interpretations of the people reading them. If they choose to read them to mean love everybody, they'll do so. If they choose to read them to mean kill everybody who disagrees with me, they'll do so. The specifics of the texts themselves are unimportant.</strong>
Well sometimes it the translations themselves that deceive people(even the adherents of the religion), but other than that, I have to agree with you completely!
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Old 07-23-2002, 11:40 AM   #13
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I,m curious to know why you didn't read the entire post!?

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Oh, but I did...and I all I saw was you quibbling over "murder", "slay", "kill", and "fight"...all apparently in an attempt to make these passages seem less violent? If I could perform the contortions necessary to make these passages seem anything but violent, I'd be an Olympic gymnast.
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Old 07-23-2002, 12:55 PM   #14
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Christianity vs Islam?

I won't be taking sides in THAT fight....

...I'll let them kill each other then take out the winner.

Watch world peace erupt! Yay!
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Old 07-23-2002, 01:17 PM   #15
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<strong>Christianity vs Islam?

I won't be taking sides in THAT fight....

...I'll let them kill each other then take out the winner.

Watch world peace erupt! Yay!</strong>
you missed the point!
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Old 07-23-2002, 01:20 PM   #16
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Oh, but I did...and I all I saw was you quibbling over "murder", "slay", "kill", and "fight"...all apparently in an attempt to make these passages seem less violent? If I could perform the contortions necessary to make these passages seem anything but violent, I'd be an Olympic gymnast.</strong>
then you read it but hardly understand the point!

continue in your ingorance.....
*you insult me, I insult you.....you reply sarcastically....I reply sarcastically.....what really gets accomplished?*

peace and blessings
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Old 07-23-2002, 01:30 PM   #17
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Qur'an:
Surah 2:190
"And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the agressors"

Surah 22:39
"Permission to fight is given to those on whom war is made, because they are oppressed. And surely Allah is Able to assist them"

Surah 17:33
" And kill not the soul which Allah has forbidden except for a just cause. And whoever is slain unjustly, We have indeed given to his heir authority-let him not exceed the limit in slaying.Surely he will be helped"
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I'm sorry... I didn't mean to miss your point... but you have to admit, your haircut does a real good job of hiding it.
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Is there a reasonable apologetic for this?

<a href="http://answering-islam.org.uk/Terrorism/peace-loving.html" target="_blank">http://answering-islam.org.uk/Terrorism/peace-loving.html</a>

There are some very informative items found at this URL. Click on individual asterisks where shown.

<a href="http://answering-islam.org.uk/Sharia/" target="_blank">http://answering-islam.org.uk/Sharia/</a>
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Old 07-23-2002, 03:27 PM   #20
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<strong>I'm sorry... I didn't mean to miss your point... but you have to admit, your haircut does a real good job of hiding it.</strong>
I meant that I did not mean aliteral war between the two religions, but I was wondering why atheists lump the two religions together when they are different. I am much happier when Atheists reject Islam BECAUSE it's theistic INSTEAD of because they think it is just a variation of christianity and judaism.

But haircut? I fail to get your meaning
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