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tempest · 05-28-2002, 07:21 PM

sometimes, it makes me a little sad, but always hopeful.

What a blessing it is to have seen God.

my proof of God's existence is my Self.

I am God.

It is clear to me that love of God means love of my self as Perfect, but this breeds morality and so is not the focus of this post. I am not trying to moralize so I will not speak of personal sins, so please don't yet judge me merely the fool or dishonest, but give me the benefit of being just like you, in a general sense. I am not a purebred, but I am just like you.

What do I know of God? What do I know of myself.

All of this, is One.
These experiences, we all describe differently, as our tools of research improve and our insights grow deeper..., all of this must be but One Reality. What ever it is in this life, "It" is one. ( Fine, we are a subset of multiple realities divided in half by two dimensional time...WHATEVER 'is' is, 'is' is one.)

I must be part of this one now, for I am God. I know The One. It is so simple. One. Can you deny this is one, in one statement or one argument? If you can, than so be it one, so you can't.

And who can know something greater than me as I know Infinity to be? What alien future spirit could bring me a greater Infinity than mine? I know Infinity, can you top that? Do you see God here yet?

And my One, all for me, must be Infinite. The One that I know as Life, must be Infinite.
This is to say, whether you call it Existence, or Your Life, or God, or Physics, or mere Quanta...., The One I now see, must also be Infinite. Even Nietzche shouted out from the wall "eternal recurrence.. of the same..."

Picture the Infinite with me, as a glass of water. The glass is as clear as the water, so you see light's glare through this picture. Now picture the water overspilling as if in a room, so that the room becomes filled to the ceiling, pouring out of the windows... and the glass gets completely submerged along with yourself. Now remove the room and the glass and the world, and look out in all directions with no light, alone in the darkness of only one water.... You can not allow yourself to picture anything else besides water, so remove yourself, and see with your eyes closed... that the water does not extend in a round fashion or in a square direction.. The water extends forever, and is everywhere, for water is the only One... and you see how the concept of Universe, my concept of The One, must be Infinite.
What I am trying to argue is: The concept of One must be seen as Infinite, because the Finitude of the One, a shape to the One, would define another One, and so there would be Two and no longer One. The one must be infinte.

So the One that I know, because I am God, must be the Infinite that I know. God is very good, aren't I?

And who can penetrate the basis of my logic as it sits in chaos? Who among you! Who can bring me less than my heavenly concept of "Nothing"? If I can give nothing, can you return less? This is my One, for the One is Nothing!

The One, that must be Infinite, this life that I live, must also be Nothing.
Picture Nothing with me. Skip ahead to your picture of the One above, nothing but water in every direction, not even yourself... only One water. (Now use your blackbaords.) Imagine water as more like pure oxygen, clear and empty like space....now remove again all light and yourself, and picture empty, limitless Nothing. For there to be Nothing, Nothing would also have to be Infinite, because just like the One, once there is finitude to Nothing, there is Something Else Besides nothing, and so there is no longer Nothing but the edge of something.
SO, the picture of the One is the same picture of pure, Nothingness, both perfect vessals for my Infinity. Oneness and Nothingness are the same and Infinite.

And these three are the basis of My Creation. I need look no further to claim God's kingdom. The rest of the facts, I call Truth which is Goodness or Beauty, or I call it a question, or I call it bullshit.
But, as God, I know of eternal things, and this I see,
so this I say: None can deny What IS. I am.

And these three are themselves True, for all manner of beings, gone and to come, for God and in light waves, for Being and Nothingness. The One always and every now, shows me to be true here.

Now we can get into physics, politics and morality. If there is something I see that is as true for me as it is in the One, and I am God, then God must be subject to Truth! It now sounds absurd to be God ! Unless God is also the Truth? NOW, since I know of the One, and in those moments, I am the Truth.

Many schools of behavior have been born of the notion of "God's truth". What is The Law for One and All. Listen to me! This type of thinking provided our language for speaking together of all the differences and many relationships that fill the One. Whatever the One is, be it the picture of Nothingness and the reality of Infinity, the One is filled with many moving parts, and the intersections where particular points of view can become commonly held show the place of science and law and morality. These are the grounds for physics as well, for life and also death.
This is to say, I am God, so I see that God also exists apart from 'I', and so I see that there must be some ground between me and myself made up of something that is neither me nor God. This last place provides the ground to exist apart from the One, or to exist as one particular instance.
But it is better to say: I can see all is One; I can also see the One as all of this......

So I am both eternal and subject to death and law. Big deal. I am still God, and so I say this still rocks!

Consciousness sits on the edge of a razor. My Godhood, my existence, known to me know as I say "I am God" reveals the threshold between being and nothingness. So now we have the basic paradox of which reason is born. My consciousness places an edge to what is Infinite and One as Nothing but Spirit. My existence nullifies the existence of the One, and since the One must be, my existence makes manifest a living paradox. It can not be that I see the One, separate from myself because unity is the definition of the One. And yet, I DO ! I can see that I am not One with the One. In this experience, there is the Universe, and there is me in it. I am not the God I thought I could be! I am not even possible !

So the ground for my existence, the same ground for reason and logic, an existence both in the One and Separate From All at the same time in the same manner, requires a savior one who is both like me, and yet One with the One. Otherwise I could not be One and be separate. Unless the One became separate from it Self just like me, and thereby included such an action as a possibility for the One, I could not act as a God. I am proof that God exists.

But none of this prooves God's existence at all to you, unless you see the One who you are not. Most of you are not yet Me. In fact, I've been kidding. I myself am not really God, yet.

The proof of God's existence takes time. It is an uncovering of the masks we play with to define our selves apart from the One. But the One is more real than you or me, for we are moving home.

The real proof for God's existence is in the life of the humble servant who dies for love's sake.

That is why I get sad sometimes, but I have hope. Hope that we deserve what we are. Who we are. I am God of Infinity - the same infinity that will always be where the One is... and the One must be, ask anyone.

Philosoft · 05-28-2002, 07:24 PM

Motion to dismiss to RR&P. Second?

Liquidrage · 05-28-2002, 07:33 PM

I don't know.
I was thinking Bugs, Problems, & Complaints.

Actually I don't know. Maybe it's a decent essay. I got to line 4, saw the sentance "I am God", scrolled down to see how long the post was, and hit the reply button.

Then I realized I had some typos so I hit the edit botton.

[ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: Liquidrage ]

Philosoft · 05-28-2002, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Liquidrage:

Actually I don't know. Maybe it's a decent essay. I got to line 4, saw the sentance "I am God", scrolled down to see how long the post was, and hit the reply button.

He appears to have lost and regained his sanity all in the same post:

Quote:

In fact, I've been kidding. I myself am not really God, yet.

Jobar · 05-28-2002, 08:49 PM

I plan to put this into Non-Abrahamic Religions.

I do want to note- I think the same thing he does. If there is any meaning to the word 'God'- then I am indeed He. Tat Tvam Isi!

Tempest, before one learns the Tao, mountains and trees are only mountains and trees.

While one is learning the Tao, mountains and trees are no longer mountains and trees.

But when one has learned the Tao- then mountains and trees are mountains and trees.

Do you understand?

Also, Gautama Buddha said "I gained not one thing from unexcelled, complete awakening- and that is why I call it Unexcelled, Complete Awakening!"

Here is a koan for you.

"Black is white and up is down.
In day is night, in silence sound.
The future and past is with present enmeshed.
Thanatos is Eros is God enfleshed."

Can you answer?

phaedrus · 05-28-2002, 10:37 PM

That would be tatvamasi - thou art that.

Eudaimonist · 05-29-2002, 07:19 PM

Here is a quote from a non-mystical perspective, but possibly conveying similar spiritual feelings (or not).

Quote:

I am done with the monster of "We," the word of serfdom, of plunder, of misery, falsehood and shame.

And now I see the face of god, and I raise this god over the earth, this god whom men have sought since men came into being, this god who will grant them joy and peace and pride.

This god, this one word:

"I."

-- Ayn Rand, Anthem

[ May 29, 2002: Message edited by: Eudaimonist ]

OUTIS · 05-29-2002, 09:42 PM

Perhaps Tempest would agree with Lao Tzu that, "Knowing others is wisdom, knowing yourself is enlightenment."

AdamWho · 05-30-2002, 07:14 PM

How about #56

Those who know do not talk.
Those who talk do not know.

Emotional Naturalist · 06-05-2002, 09:24 AM

If you say

"silence is golden"

then do you really hold silence as golden?

05-28-2002, 07:21 PM	#1
tempest Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: United States Posts: 11	God is still, not Dead sometimes, it makes me a little sad, but always hopeful. What a blessing it is to have seen God. my proof of God's existence is my Self. I am God. It is clear to me that love of God means love of my self as Perfect, but this breeds morality and so is not the focus of this post. I am not trying to moralize so I will not speak of personal sins, so please don't yet judge me merely the fool or dishonest, but give me the benefit of being just like you, in a general sense. I am not a purebred, but I am just like you. What do I know of God? What do I know of myself. All of this, is One. These experiences, we all describe differently, as our tools of research improve and our insights grow deeper..., all of this must be but One Reality. What ever it is in this life, "It" is one. ( Fine, we are a subset of multiple realities divided in half by two dimensional time...WHATEVER 'is' is, 'is' is one.) I must be part of this one now, for I am God. I know The One. It is so simple. One. Can you deny this is one, in one statement or one argument? If you can, than so be it one, so you can't. And who can know something greater than me as I know Infinity to be? What alien future spirit could bring me a greater Infinity than mine? I know Infinity, can you top that? Do you see God here yet? And my One, all for me, must be Infinite. The One that I know as Life, must be Infinite. This is to say, whether you call it Existence, or Your Life, or God, or Physics, or mere Quanta...., The One I now see, must also be Infinite. Even Nietzche shouted out from the wall "eternal recurrence.. of the same..." Picture the Infinite with me, as a glass of water. The glass is as clear as the water, so you see light's glare through this picture. Now picture the water overspilling as if in a room, so that the room becomes filled to the ceiling, pouring out of the windows... and the glass gets completely submerged along with yourself. Now remove the room and the glass and the world, and look out in all directions with no light, alone in the darkness of only one water.... You can not allow yourself to picture anything else besides water, so remove yourself, and see with your eyes closed... that the water does not extend in a round fashion or in a square direction.. The water extends forever, and is everywhere, for water is the only One... and you see how the concept of Universe, my concept of The One, must be Infinite. What I am trying to argue is: The concept of One must be seen as Infinite, because the Finitude of the One, a shape to the One, would define another One, and so there would be Two and no longer One. The one must be infinte. So the One that I know, because I am God, must be the Infinite that I know. God is very good, aren't I? And who can penetrate the basis of my logic as it sits in chaos? Who among you! Who can bring me less than my heavenly concept of "Nothing"? If I can give nothing, can you return less? This is my One, for the One is Nothing! The One, that must be Infinite, this life that I live, must also be Nothing. Picture Nothing with me. Skip ahead to your picture of the One above, nothing but water in every direction, not even yourself... only One water. (Now use your blackbaords.) Imagine water as more like pure oxygen, clear and empty like space....now remove again all light and yourself, and picture empty, limitless Nothing. For there to be Nothing, Nothing would also have to be Infinite, because just like the One, once there is finitude to Nothing, there is Something Else Besides nothing, and so there is no longer Nothing but the edge of something. SO, the picture of the One is the same picture of pure, Nothingness, both perfect vessals for my Infinity. Oneness and Nothingness are the same and Infinite. And these three are the basis of My Creation. I need look no further to claim God's kingdom. The rest of the facts, I call Truth which is Goodness or Beauty, or I call it a question, or I call it bullshit. But, as God, I know of eternal things, and this I see, so this I say: None can deny What IS. I am. And these three are themselves True, for all manner of beings, gone and to come, for God and in light waves, for Being and Nothingness. The One always and every now, shows me to be true here. Now we can get into physics, politics and morality. If there is something I see that is as true for me as it is in the One, and I am God, then God must be subject to Truth! It now sounds absurd to be God ! Unless God is also the Truth? NOW, since I know of the One, and in those moments, I am the Truth. Many schools of behavior have been born of the notion of "God's truth". What is The Law for One and All. Listen to me! This type of thinking provided our language for speaking together of all the differences and many relationships that fill the One. Whatever the One is, be it the picture of Nothingness and the reality of Infinity, the One is filled with many moving parts, and the intersections where particular points of view can become commonly held show the place of science and law and morality. These are the grounds for physics as well, for life and also death. This is to say, I am God, so I see that God also exists apart from 'I', and so I see that there must be some ground between me and myself made up of something that is neither me nor God. This last place provides the ground to exist apart from the One, or to exist as one particular instance. But it is better to say: I can see all is One; I can also see the One as all of this...... So I am both eternal and subject to death and law. Big deal. I am still God, and so I say this still rocks! Consciousness sits on the edge of a razor. My Godhood, my existence, known to me know as I say "I am God" reveals the threshold between being and nothingness. So now we have the basic paradox of which reason is born. My consciousness places an edge to what is Infinite and One as Nothing but Spirit. My existence nullifies the existence of the One, and since the One must be, my existence makes manifest a living paradox. It can not be that I see the One, separate from myself because unity is the definition of the One. And yet, I DO ! I can see that I am not One with the One. In this experience, there is the Universe, and there is me in it. I am not the God I thought I could be! I am not even possible ! So the ground for my existence, the same ground for reason and logic, an existence both in the One and Separate From All at the same time in the same manner, requires a savior one who is both like me, and yet One with the One. Otherwise I could not be One and be separate. Unless the One became separate from it Self just like me, and thereby included such an action as a possibility for the One, I could not act as a God. I am proof that God exists. But none of this prooves God's existence at all to you, unless you see the One who you are not. Most of you are not yet Me. In fact, I've been kidding. I myself am not really God, yet. The proof of God's existence takes time. It is an uncovering of the masks we play with to define our selves apart from the One. But the One is more real than you or me, for we are moving home. The real proof for God's existence is in the life of the humble servant who dies for love's sake. That is why I get sad sometimes, but I have hope. Hope that we deserve what we are. Who we are. I am God of Infinity - the same infinity that will always be where the One is... and the One must be, ask anyone.

05-28-2002, 07:33 PM	#3
Liquidrage Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tallahassee Posts: 1,301	I don't know. I was thinking Bugs, Problems, & Complaints. Actually I don't know. Maybe it's a decent essay. I got to line 4, saw the sentance "I am God", scrolled down to see how long the post was, and hit the reply button. Then I realized I had some typos so I hit the edit botton. [ May 28, 2002: Message edited by: Liquidrage ]</p>

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Philosoft Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Southeast of disorder Posts: 6,829	Motion to dismiss to RR&P. Second?

05-28-2002, 08:49 PM	#5
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	I plan to put this into Non-Abrahamic Religions. I do want to note- I think the same thing he does. If there is any meaning to the word 'God'- then I am indeed He. Tat Tvam Isi! Tempest, before one learns the Tao, mountains and trees are only mountains and trees. While one is learning the Tao, mountains and trees are no longer mountains and trees. But when one has learned the Tao- then mountains and trees are mountains and trees. Do you understand? Also, Gautama Buddha said "I gained not one thing from unexcelled, complete awakening- and that is why I call it Unexcelled, Complete Awakening!" Here is a koan for you. "Black is white and up is down. In day is night, in silence sound. The future and past is with present enmeshed. Thanatos is Eros is God enfleshed." Can you answer?

05-28-2002, 10:37 PM	#6
phaedrus Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Indus Posts: 1,038	That would be tatvamasi - thou art that.

05-29-2002, 09:42 PM	#8
OUTIS New Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1	Perhaps Tempest would agree with Lao Tzu that, "Knowing others is wisdom, knowing yourself is enlightenment."

05-30-2002, 07:14 PM	#9
AdamWho Contributor Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 13,389	How about #56 Those who know do not talk. Those who talk do not know.

06-05-2002, 09:24 AM	#10
Emotional Naturalist Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hell's flames Posts: 26	If you say "silence is golden" then do you really hold silence as golden?

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