rainbow walking

rw: Ha! And if god started healing everybody there'd be a lot fewer.

Spenser

Exactly! If he did, there might actually be reason to believe...

rainbow walking

Which in no way argues that more good comes out of our current level of suffering than would come out of less suffering.

rw" Oh, I don't know...you have to look at it in the aggregate.



God is omnipotent. God is omniscient. Practially speaking, God is on that bus, and God could make her a seat. I have never seen or heard of that happening.

rw: Yeah, and god could fart fireballs out his arse and disarm the North Koreans...with emphasis on "could".


It's in the nature of the word benevolent. If a homeless shelter shut it's doors and said "these homeless people need to work out their own problems," would we think that shelter benevolent?

rw: No, we'd think they'd come to their senses.

Again, God seems to get a different standard for "benevolent" than normal people. His standard seems lower, yet it's claimed he is more benevolent than any human could ever be. How does that make any sense?

rw: What'sa matta...you jealous? Jesus Christ...give the guy a break already...he got your ass out of a crack didn't he? Else you wouldn' be here.

rainbow walking

You know you don't wanna believe...so don't be tryin to pull no fast one me here Spence...

Autonemesis

I could say the same about your desire to go to heaven. In fact, I will: your desire to go to heaven amounts to the same thing, and is every bit as justifiable/desirable/explainable (or not) as wanting any gods that exist to eliminate human suffering here and now. I mean, that IS why you want to go to heaven, right? So you can be free of suffering and live happily ever after, isn't that so? Let me ask you a question about that: WHAT FOR?

Your beef seems to be that people shouldn't want to be free of misery and live happily here on Earth, but should wait for it in the next life, if they are found to be worthy. You know what I say to that? I know you do...

rainbow walking

rw: Uh...dude...where did you get I had a desire to go to heaven from...your crystal ball? May I suggest you check the batteries in that thing?

lpetrich

C'mon, RW, what is that great unified entity "man"?

And how did that alleged entity create all the enormous variety of troublesome things that exist in the Universe?

Why are we vulnerable to the exact same things that so many other species are vulnerable to? Including species that existed long before humanity ever existed. Cambrian trilobites sometimes have Anomalocaris bite marks on them; humanity's ancestors back then were amphioxus-like protovertebrates.

lpetrich

rw: Yeah, and god could fart fireballs out his arse and disarm the North Koreans...with emphasis on "could".

Why not do that and not let them get away with being Godless Commies?

rw: What'sa matta...you jealous? Jesus Christ...give the guy a break already...he got your ass out of a crack didn't he? Else you wouldn' be here.

How would I not be here except for Jesus Christ?

lpetrich

That's TOTALLY beside the point.

The point is that an omnimax entity could create Heaven and be done with it.

lpetrich

Why not? I have no objection to a god who reveals Itself very clearly.