Vorkosigan

Book II.31.2
"And so far are they from being able to raise the dead, as the Lord raised them, and the apostles did by means of prayer, and as has been frequently done in the brotherhood on account of some necessity--the entire Church in that particular locality entreating [the boon] with much fasting and prayer, the spirit of the dead man has returned, and he has been bestowed in answer to the prayers of the saints--that they do not even believe this can be possibly be done, [and hold] that the resurrection from the dead(3) is simply an acquaintance with that truth which they proclaim."

How come these resurrections don't happen nowadays?

Vorkosigan

Bill

Well, actually, they do. Except nowadays, we call it "coming out of a coma."

Even in the case of Jesus, as Richard Carrier notes, A Cumulative Case Can be Made that Jesus did not Really Die, and even that case is giving the Christians the benefit of the doubt that there was a real crucifixion, burial, etc., all as told by the Gospels (it isn't very likely that the Gospels are unaltered from historical reality). So, why should it surprise us that some others might well have experienced "resurrection?" Doctors observe "spontaneous remission" on a fairly regular basis. So, no matter what the illness, some chance exists that the body will take hold of itself and cure itself with little or no outside intervention. The fact that the person in question is in a coma only adds to the possibility that some kind of healing process is occurring.

== Bill

Vinnie

Do you live on a glacier? They happen all the time. Last week I was at a wake and my uncle Lazarus scared the hell out of us all when he got up from the casket and said he was hungry

Vinnie

judge

How come these resurrections don't happen nowadays?

Judge:
I would think they probably do happen. But probably in places where Christianity is vibrant, spreading and growing.
Africa, Asia amd south America, not so much in American or European places.

Europe and Australia and the US etc... is where people argue and get upset about whether God exists...lol....many other places are where the average person needs to know whether God is there.

There are definitely reports of people being raised from the dead.
Here is one I found with google, 'm sure you can find more. http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/...isedpastor.asp

(apols vinnie I edited this as you were posting)

Vinnie

They should be easy to document then.

Vinnie

Toto

Places without an organized presence from James Randi? What does that tell you?

Vinnie

That James Randi is afraid to set up shop in places where Christianity is vibrant, spreading and growing?

Vinnie

Celsus

Vork, you just haven't been looking hard enough! Tercel showed me Metacrock's page on prayer, which has among other things this:
Oh and more joys from the Catholics (again following Metacrock's helpful links): Raised from the Dead. Not only does this investigate wondrous miracles like resurrection, it also "describes other bodily wonders of the Saints, such as levitation, bilocation, and total abstinence from natural food and drink." True Christian scholarship at its best!

Joel

lpetrich

Miracles have a very interesting "shyness effect". They seldom -- if ever -- occur when high-quality documentation and critical thinking are present.

Which is why alleged miracle cures have not put the medical profession out of business.

malookiemaloo

I think, strictly speaking, what you are talking about is Lazarus style resusitations not Christ like resurrections.

It is very interesting because people associate God with miracles but in reality there are very few. They occurred generally in clusters. Some at the creation, the exodus then Jesus and afterwards and that's about it.

Having said that there are people today who will testify to a miracle, but don't know about a dead person coming to life again.


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