Nickle

From <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=51&t=000777" target="_blank">this</a> thread:

Amos:
Obviously, Amos has misunderstood what scientist think. There is no mind controlling evolution, nor does there need to be. As I already said, random mutation filtered by natural selection is all that is required.

Oolon Colluphid

Well an undergraduate engineer could tell him that using more materials than are necessary is not good design. Putting eyes that don’t work in creatures that don’t need eyes at all is pretty bloody stupid design. Therefore, if it is genuinely a design, the designer is a retard.

True. Such a theory would be fit only for dummies. Since you think that such a ludicrous idea is what all working biologists believe, you are a meta-dummy.

No.

Let me repeat, in case that’s too difficult a word for you to grasp all at once: NO.

Natural selection is simply a sieving process, whereby only those individuals that have ‘whatever it takes’ to survive and reproduce in a given environment pass on to the next generation the the genes that made them that way. Repeat this algorithm, and you get adaptation.

A sieve is not intelligent in letting some things through and retaining others; that is just what happens when stuff goes through one. Though a sieve is undoubtedly brighter than someone who thinks that it it is intelligent.

In your hyperactive imagination.

But individuals do not adapt. Lineages do. Lineages do not think; they either continue or they do not, depending on the characteristics of their members in interaction with their circumstances. In nature, the change happens after the need arrives, and individuals have to do a lot of dying because they are not adapted. That doesn’t sound overly intelligent.

No. All they require is a copying process. Such as we see down lineages.

Random mutation answers where variation comes from. Natural selection answers the rest, because only some of those variations get to reproduce; inevitably, automatically and blindly.

I would call it a straw man erected by an ignoramus.

That’s just as well, because the average human contains a couple of hundred, iirc.

It isn’t. But only someone devoid of the slightest idea what he’s talking about thinks it is. If ‘thinking’ isn’t too strong a word for it.

DT

Doubting Didymus

Now I don't want to suggest that the theory of evolution should be immune to criticism from everyone except biologists, but really.

I think quantum physics sounds like a load of horse dung, but I would not confidently say so without actually knowing something about it first.

By all means, pose your percieved dilemmas, amos, but with a little less certainty, perhaps?

Amos

Thinking is a sign of oblivion. Only those who don't know must think and to resolve intelligence contained in "natural selection" they compare it with a combine sieve so they can hide behind the fact that combines don't think and still get the job done. Super intelligent! Evolution for dummies, and I love it.

Right, lineages adapt because they don't have a mind to think until they fail to adapt and nature gets the best of them. Oh sorry, there is no best in nature because it has no mind. They just fail to reproduce their genes, oh sorry, they don't 'have' genes because they 'are' not but only their genes are.

Each human being has hundreds of mutations and some have bigger ones to make humans out of a fish. Sounds like chaos to me. The thinking we do is just to eat, drink and be merry while in oblivion.

Oolon Colluphid

Thanks for replying, Amos. Now, if you'd care to repost that in some semblance of English, in place of that amalgam of gibberish and gobbledygook, I'll do my best to answer you. As it stands, I sense there's deep misunderstanding and ignorance buried in there, but I can't decipher it enough to know where to start.

In other words: WTF???

DT

happyboy

amos, please go to <a href="http://www.ebonmusings.org" target="_blank">http://www.ebonmusings.org</a> for a good layman's explanation for evolution, natural selection, and all that good stuff.

happy boy

KC

This is about as deep as piss on a rock.

Cheers,

KC

Amos

Thanks happyboy but I would rather not waste my time there. Notice that I never come here because to argue evolution is to argue from oblivion.

My opinion here is that the intelligent design is built within the species to make evolution possible and the proof of this is that we must sterilize creation to stop evolution. On a small scale we do to preserve food.

Doubting Didymus

Amos, I love you. This stuff is classic.

You are even better at this than Boro Nut.

Amos

You should go see a doctor. I think you suffer from the tripple S syndrome.