Chip

BTW folks. I'm on my sixth day of taking these EFAs in the quantities suggested in the book.

I honestly believe I am seeing both psychological and physiological improvement.

Regards, Chip

galiel

They are not "allegations", Chip. [Insult removed. -Pomp] I merely asked if I was correct in recalling a possible side-effect involving suppression of the immune system from overdose of Omega-3. I believe it specifically involves DHA (sp?), one of the main components of Omega-3. If you are worried about it, do your own Web search.

You will notice that I addressed the question to Rick, precisely because of your well-known tendency to interpret everything as part of a hidden, hostile agenda to suppress your odd world-view.

Since I accused no one of a "conspiracy", I need not cite same. I did not say "potentially fatal malevolence", I said "I think it is irresponsible, if not borderline criminal, to tell another person to take any medication, conventional or "alternative", in an online forum like this, particularly someone with a medically diagnosed problem. NO reputable practitioner would make such a recommendation without seeing a patient, or at least consulting with their doctor and examining their records. The consequences are potentially fatal."

In point of fact, I was not responding to your post at all. I no longer bother to debunk your nonsense. I was responding to a question and answer sequence about the use of Omega-3 to treat someone's father in law.

[Personal jab removed. -Pomp]

[Edited to remove a couple of unnecessarily hostile comments. -Pomp]

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jasonpiao

Yes, cause we all know how things get cheaper as demand for them rises...

Chip

Galiel, I will leave you to your flaming.

Jasonpiao, for sure, it is possible as the word gets out that the demand may exceed availability even if the energy expenditure and safety of procurement improves. Here's hoping that is not the case.

Regards, Chip

Viti

FWIW. Thank you all for your opinions and information.

Galeil, I too am very skeptical of many alt-med claims (especially supplements) which is why I asked Dr. Rick his opinion on whether they were worth a try.

My Father in law has lived for over 30 years with the arthritis, and almost died from an intestinal, arterial bleed caused by ibuprofen. I know they have tried everything available from their doctor and then gone to alt sources, such as gold shots, to get him some relief on his "bad days".

I am also a bit worried as rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune disorders seem to have strong family connections....my husband is almost the same age his dad was when the arthritis began. My best friend's mother has lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, and her sister was just diagnosed with RH...so she feels she is "next". Truthfully I am scared for my loved ones and interested in anything promising.

Dr Rick

Brandi, you are right about the familial clusters of many autoimmune diseases, including the ones you mention. What we know about Omega-3 fatty acids (n-3, for short) and their putative mechanisms of action upon the inflammatory cytokine pathways suggests that they might be more efficacious in preventing autoimmune diseases than in treating them once they have devoloped.

It would not be unreasonable for an otherwise healthy person at risk for these illnesses to consider taking n-3 supplements as a possible preventative.

Galiel, I am not aware of any reported serious illnesses or fatalities resulting from human consumption of these supplements, though it's certainly possible that the extraordinarily high doses used in some animal studies could have identified such an outcome. I would appreciate any references you might have regarding any serious adverse effects in either human or animal studies or case-reports. Thanks.

Rick

slept2long

Originally posted by galiel:
This is not all taking place in the fantasy courtroom of your paranoid mind.

What the fuck kind of comment is this! An attack on a person if I've ever seen one.

You have a very unhealthy personality, Chip. Please get help and stop fighting your demons with people on this board.

Please show proof of your qualification in determining Chip has some psychosis.

To mods and administrators. Can I post shit like this? Or is the amount of B.S. you can spew directly related to your "intelligent" contributions. I hope not because I'd be screwed.

galiel

it is a defensive response to a distortion of a completely inoffensive inquiry I made that was not even directed at Chip. If you are concerned about the tone of the conversation, please read my question to Rick, and then Chip's response.

I am not diagnosing him, which if you had actually read my posts you would know I oppose that kind of thing. I was expressing a personal opinion born of frustration, because of Chip's inability to let any conversation pass without making it about him, and twisting it into some kind of paranoid fantasy. I stand by my statement.

I was reponding to an utterly unprovoked attack, to an utterly inoffensive inquiry I made that wasn't even directed toward him. He accused me of making "allegations" of people "partaking in a conspiracy" and said I had alleged ""potentially fatal" malevolence".

You said it, not me. Perhaps if you bothered to read what led up to this, rather than just respond from partisan instinct, you would be a bit more understanding.

Don't expect me to 'turn the other cheek' every time some bully barges in and tried to incite a personal fight. This isn't a Christian forum and I ain't Jesus. You come at me, I'll come right back at you. You don't like my tone, don't initiate it.

Jeremy Pallant

Ladies and gentlemen, it seems I must once again warn you that this is Science and Skepticism, not Abuse. If you want to insult and flame each other, please take yourselves to Rants, Raves and Preaching. Keep it civil, or I will close down this thread.

Chip

Jeremy, did you PM the offending parties (or party) and ask them to remove or change their off subject and personal attacks and warn them that if they didn't you would remove their posts?

I would prefer if this thread was not shut down as I feel it could have much benifit to many and would like to hear their civil discussion as well as have the thread retain relevance and sustain a higher level in the list of topics due to such intelligent discussion.

If you feel that locking the thread is the only thing you can do, so be it.

Thank you, Chip