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Badfish · 04-14-2003, 07:45 PM

Well Lasher where did I say that you weren't a Christian?

Who am I to say you don't believe? I can disagree about the God you call Christ, but where did I say you weren't Christian?

Amie · 04-14-2003, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by livius drusus
Very true, Lasher. Badfish, check out the Atheist testimony thread sometime to see just how many atheists have been helped along the way by the chaotically irate tactics of "good christians."

Livius can you please expnad on the meaning of helped along in this case? Is this a reference to people being helped in becoming atheists based on negative behaviors of Christians?

Grizzly · 04-14-2003, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
[B]That's great Grizzly, there's only one problem, I didn't insinuate they were not Christians.

Well, how about insinuating they were not GOOD Christians?

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They say the bible is wrong and inaccurate, well then if the only written and recorded history of the God they worship resides in a book in which they throw out, then how do they base their faith?

I don't think they are saying its wrong and innaccurate. I think they are just interpreting it differently than you.

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"Well, the bible is flawed by man" they say, well according to the only source that records God says that God's word is tried and true and is promised to be delivered error free through the generations, then what is to be concluded?

Perhaps one can conclude that this interpretation is in error? I don't think I have ever seen a statement anywhere in the bible that says it is innerrant. I've seen statements that say that it is inspired, but not infallible. The mere existance of this book called the bible was a creation of man. Merely deciding which books were cannonical and which ones weren't was a process conducted by man. There is alot of room for error in the process. Just because you have a book that says "I am error free" doesn't mean that you have an error-free book.

wildernesse · 04-14-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish

Either your Christian and accept the bible as the word of God, or you don't, but don't hide behind the cloak of Christianity to tear down Christians.

and then

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That's great Grizzly, there's only one problem, I didn't insinuate they were not Christians.

I think that telling people that they are "hiding" behind the cloak of Christianity is insinuating that they are not Christians. Other people might think so as well.

--tibac

Amie · 04-14-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by livius drusus
Hey! What do you mean used to?

heh but dont you worry when I start my thread on my relatively new position of why I think abortion is murder and morally repugnant (simply my perspective) the "use to" will be a thing of the past

I am overdue to get pissed livius and I want you first in line to get the ball rolling

Gunnaheave · 04-14-2003, 07:56 PM

My stock in this is simple Sean:

1) You started in this thread acting like one of the gang, then you turn on all of us. I should be used to it by now, but it's a little disconcerting.

2) You are personally attacking two people I think a lot of. I'm glad you amended the word, but frankly, I think it was a telling post. many of your comments come as close to judging the person as you can get, but you normally maintain the ruse of judging only the sin and not the sinner. Now that you are back to it with Inspired, I shall have to go back to humoring the ruse. It's a tired game, but it's preferable to outright personal attacks.

And every time you answer an argument about the proper interpretation of scripture by asserting that your opponent is actually twisting scripture, you effectively imply that you are a real Christian and that they are not. Such arguments are circular at best, and deliberately insulting besides. It is one thing to keep arguing your stance, but if you are wondering why people think you are saying others are not really Christians, it i comments like that.

And no, Amie, this is not mob mentality. Sean is the one one the offensive here, and he can take his medicine, just as we all do.

livius drusus · 04-14-2003, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
Thanks livius, but the Christian Lasher is lying, I never once said she wasn't a Christian.

You implied that her Christianity was a sham, a veil was the exact word, I believe. But even if I accept that your comment was rather ambiguous as slurs go, I was referring more to the venom in your tone. You lose control of your temper and stop making cogent points.

Instead, you focus on the perceived deficiencies in your opponents' brand of xianity and next thing you know, you wake up with a nothing but a metric ton of mardi gras beads, a navelful of tequila-flavored salt and a pounding headache.

Badfish · 04-14-2003, 08:02 PM

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I don't think they are saying its wrong and innaccurate. I think they are just interpreting it differently than you.

Grizzly, please, Lasher/Inspired said in plain english that the she doesn't believe the scriptures, and that the bible is flawed by humanity, it is NOT a matter of interpretational differences.

Therefore, according to the bible, I can gauge a person based on the fruit they bear.

You had to be there.

Wildernesse, people *might* think this, and might *think* that....

Basically I am wasting my time and I think I'll buzz outta here.

It'll be fun to see who keeps quoting me and doesn't let this rest.

Amie · 04-14-2003, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by Gunnaheave
And no, Amie, this is not mob mentality. Sean is the one one the offensive here, and he can take his medicine, just as we all do.

I do believe my post was referring to one person in regards to that statement but besides that Sean has clearly asked for a truce. Several times. What do you want him to do, write it in blood???

Badfish · 04-14-2003, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by livius drusus
You implied that her Christianity was a sham, a veil was the exact word, I believe. But even if I accept that your comment was rather ambiguous as slurs go, I was referring more to the venom in your tone. You lose control of your temper and stop making cogent points.

Instead, you focus on the perceived deficiencies in your opponents' brand of xianity and next thing you know, you wake up with a nothing but a metric ton of mardi gras beads, a navelful of tequila-flavored salt and a pounding headache.

I haven't lost my temper LOL, not once. If I do, you will know.

Besides I made my cogent point a long time ago.

And sometimes I use the sword of the Spirit, so what, sometimes one needs it......

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04-14-2003, 07:45 PM	#981
Badfish Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Death Valley, CA Posts: 1,738	Well Lasher where did I say that you weren't a Christian? Who am I to say you don't believe? I can disagree about the God you call Christ, but where did I say you weren't Christian?

04-14-2003, 07:56 PM	#986
Gunnaheave Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AZ Posts: 3,250	My stock in this is simple Sean: 1) You started in this thread acting like one of the gang, then you turn on all of us. I should be used to it by now, but it's a little disconcerting. 2) You are personally attacking two people I think a lot of. I'm glad you amended the word, but frankly, I think it was a telling post. many of your comments come as close to judging the person as you can get, but you normally maintain the ruse of judging only the sin and not the sinner. Now that you are back to it with Inspired, I shall have to go back to humoring the ruse. It's a tired game, but it's preferable to outright personal attacks. And every time you answer an argument about the proper interpretation of scripture by asserting that your opponent is actually twisting scripture, you effectively imply that you are a real Christian and that they are not. Such arguments are circular at best, and deliberately insulting besides. It is one thing to keep arguing your stance, but if you are wondering why people think you are saying others are not really Christians, it i comments like that. And no, Amie, this is not mob mentality. Sean is the one one the offensive here, and he can take his medicine, just as we all do.

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