Jorge

Originally posted by Haran

I think many come to this particular forum to get sincere answers to their questions about the Bible and perceived discrepancies.

You really think so, don't you? "Sincere answers" on Bible discrepancies from an 'Infidel' site?

Lessee, next time I have a question on my automobile transmission, I'll go to a foot specialist... yeah... that'll be the perfect place!

Please excuse the sarcasm, Haran, but you do see where your comment leads to, don't you?

There are some, maybe even several, who only want to bash the Bible and will take any old kind of information to do so, but there are also several who just want to discover the truth.

Your post is very off-putting and will only serve to anger the very people you might be trying to convert. Angry people won't listen to you and will many times do whatever they feel is necessary (including bending the truth) to make you look wrong. If you present your case with emotion (rather than logic), you will get emotion (rather than logic) back.

Some of what you say here is correct, other is not. I'm not worried about making people 'angry' - a genuine seeker gets past emotion and concentrates on the core of the matter. Besides, what may appear as emotion from my posts is actually boldness. Would you say that Christ was "emotional" about His teachings or "bold"?

If you want to save souls, this is not the way to do it. If you just want to condemn atheists, then shame on you, this is not a good way to win others to Christ.

Opinion noted and respected but not necessarily shared in all cases.

As others have said, there are plenty of people here who have been studying the Bible in quite a bit more depth than you probably have. If you don't believe me, then ask some more meaningful, less confrontational questions. You might be surprised what you yourself can learn.

I assure you, I learn from everyone at all times.

I might abandon this futile attempt to communicate my message and be content with contributing in other threads.

Thanks for your concern and input, Haran.

Jorge

viscousmemories

Jorge,

Your alleged interest in discussion and debate here is negated by your clear opinion that "infidels" have nothing of substance to say on the issues you supposedly have knowledge of. Ignoring the fact that you have neglected to respond to every challenge to your claimed knowledge of biblical scholarship (a fairly clear indication that your claim is false) you have repeatedly stated that you think the responses of non-believers are without value, yet you continue to pose questions to non-believers.

By the use of that tool of satan, "logic", I must conclude that you either don't really want answers to the questions you're asking, or you are incapable of understanding that asking a question of someone whose answer you mistrust is a pointless endeavor. Which is it? Are you trolling or daft?

Oh hey, before I sign off... since you haven't answered me the last five times I asked... Do you have a list somewhere of the 30,000+ "discrepancies" in the bible that you have been made aware of? The Evil Atheist Conspiracy could make good use of such a thing. Please feel free to post here if you have that list. Thanks!

vm

ex-xian

-sigh-
I've thought of a couple of options for you to be able to actually discuss something and still believe that what you're experiencing here is godly persecution.

1) Start a thread discussing why you're more qualified to understand the bible than we are.
2) Start a thread defending YEC from a biblical POV.

If not, then I suggest we all
Stop feeding the Troll!

Quantum Ninja

Jorge, this is a very poor attempt at debate. Your contribution so far has been nothing but polemical masturbation mixed with a handful of fallacious arguments for good measure. After you've had your climax, feel free to start addressing people's responses with logical arguments and/or evidence rather than dodging them with equivocal language and unsubstantiated claims.

Haran

For the record, Jorge, yes. I have had dealings with some very sincere and logical atheists here who seem to only want to find the truth.

Jorge, most people in the various churches I have gone to throughout my life have not read the Bible as many times as many of the atheists here have. I can't have historical discussions with many of them because they don't know the first thing. They have a faith that does not need to question and that is fine for them.

However, many do question, and I am one of them as are many here. I don't always appreciate or agree with their conclusions, but that doesn't mean I can't learn something new from listening to an opposite viewpoint. It never hurts to look at things from a different angle. Many times the truth seems to lie somewhere in between.

I hope my comments lead me to the acceptance that those around us here are, for the most part, honest and interested people too. They want answers, Jorge, not put-downs. I do not agree with what you call boldness, and in fact think you may have it backwards.

I think you should look to Jesus' stern words to the Pharisees, most of Jesus' "boldness" was directed at them. Look at the example of Jesus... Who was he with? Who did he teach? Who did he reserve some of his strongest words for? Please think about this, Jorge.

Take it from someone who's been here a while. If you speak in such a way as to make people angry, they will not listen to you. As you can see, the posts here have not been focused on Christianity, how to become a Christian, or even what should have been the point of a thread in BC&A (i.e. debating others of perceived discrepancies in the Bible). Instead, much of this thread has been a reaction to what many, including myself, see as insults from someone who has not yet even proved their own merit in Biblical studies. If you want your opinion appreciated here, I'm afraid you'll have to display some of that knowledge, even if others may deny what you say.

I would say that the only way your stay here would be beneficial is to give humility a go and listen to your fellow humanbeings' concerns. Some will not be honest. Look past them to those who are, but don't insult them.

Perhaps you will not agree, but those are my rather strong opinions on the matter.

RevDahlia

Haran...:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Hedwig

I don't know, Jorge...you seem arrogant to me.

And before you question my qualifications, for the first half of my life I was a born-again Southern Baptist. I've read the Bible (IIRC) three times cover to cover and I've referenced it numerous times since.

On standardized testing I've always been in the highest percentile when it comes to reading comprehension...so there's a good chance I did understand the Bible when I read it.

I'm seriously curious to hear you actually put forth an argument. So far you've done little more than attack.

id.s

Jorge lives with the -"In The Beginning" and the rest just writes itself - theory. In other words -all argument is futile as the bible is the explanation -contradictory or not- and I can prove this. Because the bible says so.
Remember the golden rule and the pious mission- Do unto others before they can do it to you - and -The meek shall inherit the earth. Jorge , you show a complete understanding of your need for anger and revenge , but your ability to be meek may hinder your chances at entry to your imaginary heaven. You're going to have to be a lot meeker before anyone takes an inane fool like you seriously. What you do is totally christian and is one of the many reasons why most of us can't stand narrow minded egotistical bigoted hypocrites such as you and your bible and what that exemplifies.

Aerik Von

(Grumble)

Aerik Von

That, for one, is a crap magazine by most standards, I think most of us should stick with truly studied reports. Otherwise, I agree with the original post on this.