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Hedwig · 07-20-2003, 09:44 PM

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Nope.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Then how do you explain the different versions of the bible?

Magus55 · 07-20-2003, 09:53 PM

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Then how do you explain the different versions of the bible?

What about them? Those 2 verses are referring to the original scripture. Different versions are just copies. The KJV is considered to be the most accurate to the originals. Other versions were written to help people understand easier, since King Jame's English (is that middle english, or modern? ) can be confusing.

Hedwig · 07-20-2003, 10:20 PM

But the KJV wasn't the earliest version of the bible, if memory serves. Were all those people with the earlier version being duped?

Magus55 · 07-20-2003, 10:30 PM

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But the KJV wasn't the earliest version of the bible, if memory serves. Were all those people with the earlier version being duped?

The KJV was the earliest collection of all scripture. The Earliest copies we have are the Dead Sea scrolls. And no they weren't being duped. Out of 24,000 manuscripts of the New Testament, all of them have about a .5% error rating. The Bible manuscripts are the most accurate writings on Earth. The second most accurate ( but well behind the Bible), is Homer's Illiad. Any dismissal of the Bible as being an accurate and reliable historical record means you have to dismiss every other ancient writing from Plato, to Homer and Sophocles.

winstonjen · 07-20-2003, 10:34 PM

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That isn't what I meant. I will take the word of God, over humans attempt at understanding the world. Yes obviously i'd go to a hospital because God isn't a magic genie, and I wouldn't treat Him as such. But if humans conclude the world is billions of years old, and God says it was created in 6 days, I will trust God over humans until told otherwise, since God was there at the beginning of time, humans weren't.

But you would trust their imperfect knowledge of surgery, as they can't know everything about the operation.

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You still haven't answered me as to why every one of your posts is sarcastic and insulting. What do you get out of it? Do you have nothing better to do with your life than mock and criticize Christians?

Every post? I sincerely doubt that.

Magus55 · 07-20-2003, 10:41 PM

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But you would trust their imperfect knowledge of surgery, as they can't know everything about the operation.

You're right, surgeons aren't perfect, and they can't always save everyone. But assuming if I was conscious going to the hospital, I would probably ask God to guide and help the doctors. If i'm not conscious (sp), I don't really have a say in the matter.

winstonjen · 07-20-2003, 10:45 PM

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You're right

Finally, some honesty.

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, surgeons aren't perfect, and they can't always save everyone. But assuming if I was conscious going to the hospital, I would probably ask God to guide and help the doctors. If i'm not conscious (sp), I don't really have a say in the matter.

So you would only want be treated by Christian doctors? And isn't that going against god's will by avoiding suffering that he divinely wants for you in his Grand Plan (TM)?

Bookwyrm · 07-20-2003, 11:45 PM

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Is it so unreasonable to imagine, even if god were real, that even if he inspired the bible, human hands might have mucked it up?

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Magus55 responded
Nope.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Magus, you can't simply quote the Bible to prove that the Bible wouldn't have been allowed to be mucked up, because if God's nature is such that he wouldn't prevent his message from being mucked up by the fallible humans who transmitted it there would be nothing to prevent the humans who wrote the books which comprise the Bible from erroneously inserting passages stating that the nature of God is such that he would not allow his message to be mucked up. So all you've shown is that if we can trust the Bible's description of God, then we can trust the Bible's description of God, which we already knew.

Magus55 · 07-20-2003, 11:52 PM

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Magus, you can't simply quote the Bible to prove that the Bible wouldn't have been allowed to be mucked up, because if God's nature is such that he wouldn't prevent his message from being mucked up by the fallible humans who transmitted it there would be nothing to prevent the humans who wrote the books which comprise the Bible from erroneously inserting passages stating that the nature of God is such that he would not allow his message to be mucked up. So all you've shown is that if we can trust the Bible's description of God, then we can trust the Bible's description of God, which we already knew.

And how would the different authors have collaborated their "made up" stories? You seem to forget, the Bible is not one book or one source, it is 66 written over a 2000 year time span. Its like if you went to the book store, and found books that verified the claims made in other books. This isn't just the bible verifying the bible, its one book veryfing a different book.

winstonjen · 07-20-2003, 11:58 PM

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And how would the different authors have collaborated their "made up" stories?

Simple. An anthology of pre-school nursery rhymes or fairy tales...which closely resembles the books of the bible and Psalms.

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