Queen of Swords

Originally posted by pdwblw:
<strong>The Bible tells us of a loving God who loves all people and sent His Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross for our sins. </strong>

The bible also tells us of a talking ass.

<strong>This same Jesus rose again from the dead and is seated at the right hand of the Father.</strong>

"Rose again"? What, did he rise once already? They must have stuffed a lot of yeast into him.

<strong>Man chose to sin against God.</strong>

Since the definition of "sin" appears to be "doing something that pisses god off", I'm not surprised.

<strong>God does not force anyone to love Him. </strong>

But if you don't love him, you burn in hell forever. No force, of course.

<strong>He gives us the choice.</strong>

Similarly, a jealous ex-husband holding a gun to his wife's head gives her the choice of coming back to him or... not.

<strong>He did not have to send His Son, He chose to because He loves us.</strong>

If your god's idea of love is ordering an innocent person to be killed, I'll pass on it.

<strong>He loves us enough to allow us to go to hell if we so choose.</strong>

Does he also love people enough to send them to hell if they were unfortunate enough to be raised in another culture with a different religion?

<strong>He doesn't want us to be forced to love Him and serve Him. </strong>

Remember, folks, this deity puts the God into Godfather.

<strong>What a loving, wonderful God. </strong>

Be still, my lunch.

<strong>That is the God we can serve.</strong>

I'd serve him medium-rare with a squeeze of lemon.

[ August 20, 2002: Message edited by: QueenofSwords ]</p>

rebelnerd

Is that god tough love?

That would be no fun.

My wife has been a diabetic since she was 6 years old. She's 34 now. She has to do 3 or 4 insulin shots a day. She will most likely end up on dialysis, blind and with amputated feet and/or legs before she dies. We had two children die before we cooked one that lived due to her diabetes. How come I'm not feeling the love?

Filo

Jack the Bodiless

OK, let's deal with this in small chunks. pdwblw (Please Don't Wrassle Biblical Lies Wilfully?), I get the impression you haven't actually thought about the mantra you're regurgitating here.
Please explain why an omnipotent, loving God needs to perform an act of ritual human sacrifice to allow himself to forgive us for our actions.
So it was actually no sacrifice at all. Three days of pain for an eternal being is insignificant. I am not impressed by this "sacrifice".
I am not responsible for Adam's choice, and therefore blameless for it.
Offering eternal bliss if we accept and eternal torture if we don't? This is a "free choice" to you? If you were asked to give your opinion on which brand of soap powder is best, but I attach electrodes to your genitals and threaten to press the switch if you choose Brand B, this is still a free choice?
But not enough to simply forgive us, without this gruesome ritual.
If a parent loves his/her kids enough to let them play on a busy highway, you would have no objection?
So he won't send me to Hell if I don't. And if Hell is merely a state of "being apart from God", I can stay in Hell as long as I like, then go back to God if I decide that I prefer that. And if I later get bored with God's company, I can take a vacation in Hell again, no worries.

Is this what you believe?
What a bizarre fairytale.
Attempting to "serve" an omnipotent being is like attempting to assist an airliner pilot by flapping your arms. It is futile and unnecessary.

All of this assumes that your God exists, of course. The Biblical God does not, and I have no reason to believe that any other one does either.

Edit: ...Ah, I see we have a feeding frenzy here.

[ August 20, 2002: Message edited by: Jack the Bodiless ]</p>

Mad Kally

pdwblw,
Are you a spirit filled Christian? Do you wave your arms in the air and speak in tongues? Do you believe demons possess people?

Kally

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Mageth

QoS: I haven't laughed so hard in I don't know how long.

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"Rose again"? What, did he rise once already? They must have stuffed a lot of yeast into him.

You misunderstand the scriptures. The mere anticipation of Mary Magdalene and her nubile young helpers coming to rub oil all over his body got a rise out of Jeebus. And it obviously wasn't the first time Mary catalyzed that reaction.

MrDarwin

Yes, in all fairness, perhaps we should give him an opportunity to respond before everybody piling on and ridiculing his beliefs?

Edited to address pdwblw directly: welcome to the II boards. You may be rather taken aback by the reaction to your opening post, but we get similar postings all the time. The frequency of such postings, combined with the fact that many who post such things frequently never return (or if they do, never seriously address the comments or questions that follow) doesn't encourage our members to take such postings very seriously in the first place.

[ August 20, 2002: Message edited by: MrDarwin ]</p>

Mad Kally

I asked serious questions MrD. I think I might be demon possessed.

Heathen Dawn

Saith the Holy Qur'an:

And whoever chooses a religion other than Islam, it shall never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the lost.

Allahu Akbar! Or burn in Islamic hell, you infidel! Allah loves you and is worthy of service. One cannot resist the will of Allah.

(I don't worship Allaugh, nor Yagweg nor Geazuss. I worship only what the senses can perceive: Nature)

Pomp

Feeding frenzy, indeed.

Lady Shea already pointed this out, pdwblw, but posts like this really belong in one of our other forums. The Existence of God(s) forum is for examining evidence/proofs for the existence of god(s), not general discussion about any god or gods. Please feel free to start on-topic threads in this forum, or to visit our Misc. Religion forum if you wish to start threads such as this one.

Everyone else, please bear in mind that this is one of the philosophical forums, not RRPEtc. The "feeding frenzy" behavior is really not appropriate up here. That said, I'm sending this to RRPEtc. now.

This thread can now be found <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=47&t=000969" target="_blank">here</a>.

[ August 20, 2002: Message edited by: Pomp ]</p>