Yellum Notnef

I don't suppose you'd care to divulge the names of these 8 people who your mystical powers allowed you to correctly judge their age?

My guess is that you're just making this up as you go along.

PJPSYCO

So, it takes a year for replies to my posting to get going. Good to know.

I have read a number of bibles, and this post was not about the bible. It was about religion. Specifically about religion's fight against love. I sited examples and analysed them. I thought it was obvious seeing as no one but Sephiroth resposed, and he responded favorably.
As it goes, you can't say "well its supposed to be this way." That is irrelevant, I was not analysing how you think it is supposed to be, I was analysing how it is. Gods always come off as ones own personified selfish desire. I am always forced to ask the question of preachers, "Are you god?"

As for my age, I'll be 23 on the 8th of May :D . So, when I wrote the post, I was 22. Radorth stop being an agist, it makes you look like you are pandering to it instead of presenting information, it is very unbecoming in a disscussion :( . I am not 104 year old fool :D. I know where I am, whats going on, and who all these people are. I can still remember the day you joinded the secweb. Ah, the past, such memories abound. But seriously radorth by dismissming me because you are older says more about your wisdom as an old person than as me as a young person. Noting that you pulled the age card without even hearing my response to your post. You have obviously spent a long time filling your head with you telling yourself how great you will be when you are old instead of wisdom. I know I can get more wisdom, but you don't seem to realize that so can you. Noting my proffesion as Scholar(I'm a sponge for information). It is sad that you say you can see the future, and your mind is closed then too. Oh well "can't teach an old dog new tricks" :D .

Radorth

I didn't say I had identified 8 people and I'm not interested in getting sucked into one of your off-topic semantics games either. You apparently don't recall thinking you knew more than you did or you still don't know how obvious it was to some people around you.

Rad

spurly

I would love to. Check out Philippians 2:5-8: "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a bond servant, and being made in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man he humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross".

Christ emptied Himself, laid aside his priviledges of being God and laid aside much of his deity (how much? I don't know), in order to live among us and show us the love of God.

If you read on in this passage you will see that after his death and resurrection, he received his place among the Godhead again.

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In the same way, the deity of Jesus was veiled in a human body. You mean the little remaining deity of Jesus that he didn't up, right?

Yes, that is exactly what I mean.

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There was one time when he was given a taste of his former glory - on the mount of transfiguration - but other than that, during his life, manyof the aspects of his deity were veiled behind skin. Wouldn't it have been more merciful of god to empty himself of the blowing-away portion of his deity or veil himself in skin and thereby give Adam and Eve a second chance instead of kicking them out the first time they made a mistake? After all, they weren't even tax collectors like the ones Jesus ate with. Also, how did Satan appear in god's presence to talk to him about Job? Did god have to veil himself in skin for Satan to do that?

God could have taken the route you suggested, but his ultimate plan was much greater. He wants us to enjoy God for who he really is, not a masked version of who he is. He wants us to be able to enter into a relationship of love with him that will last forever. To do that, mankind needed to see how their sin cut them off from God, and they needed to see how much God loved them, that he was going to provide the means to rectify the relationship. It was an incredible plan.

As to how Satan is able to come into the presence of God, I will have to do more study on that. My guess, without my study, is that since Satan is a spirit and doesn't have a physical body, different rules apply. However, please allow me the freedom to change that opinion if I find that is not the case.

Kevin

Radorth

Fine. With who? The Taliban? My church? Billy Graham? Well we at least agree it wasn't that way with the early Christians. Or do we? Are you sure you don't think they went around knifing people who didn't hand over the money? Do let us know because we are having to guess here.

Gee, I hit another one on the nose. Yes, How DO I guess right so often?

Uh-huh. "All these people." Who are they exactly? Oh wait. You don't make distinctions. It's too painful

.Isn't that interesting? No break at all between "I know who these people are" and "I can still remember the day you joined the secweb." Spit it out. I'm one of "these people," right?

I heard you make two or thee ridiculous generalizations before making the call. I also invited you to talk about specific groups of religious people which you apparently are refusing to do. How about you come down out of the ether and name some names and we can talk about it.

Yeah well, I'm reading it now and I'm hardly about to change my mind. I'm talking about wisdom, not age. Unfortunately the two come together if the former comes at all.

Uh huh. A scholar who can't spell or write a complete sentence, or give an example, a reference or anything but generalizations.


Rad

Hedwig

Only the most simple of minds would conclude that age always equals wisdom.

</my mom>

Radorth

I never said "always" and made it clear I don't believe that. I'm afraid only a simpleton would interpret what I said that way.

Rad

Hedwig

Sorry, that's just the way I take it when a person seems to be using another person's age to mock their knowledge. That was what you appeared to be doing in the above post.

BTW, my mother happens to be a highly intelligent woman. She's hardly a simpleton.

Radorth

One can have all kinds of knowledge and zero wisdom IMO. To have any wisdom about human nature, you usually have to get and keep a real job working with other human beings for ten years.

In any case, I'm clearly mocking PJPSYCHO's failure to make anything approaching responsible distinctions. It's no different from me saying "I know these atheist people and what they are about." Wisdom is learning how little you know so you can begin to know, of seeing the extraordinary ironies of the human condition including your own, of seeing your own hypocrisy and weaknesses, so you don't judge others en masse; of being "no respecter of persons" and forgiving all sins except narcissistic, unconfessed self-righteousness and hypocrisy.

I ask for wisdom all the time, PJPSYCHO, of a God "who gives to all people liberally, without reproach." It's not about physical age per se. It's just that young people generally confuse knowledge with wisdom and are easily puffed up in their own minds.

"Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up."

winstonjen

Or you could just observe others in a non-working environment and learn from that.

Unless they think the ALMIGHTY loves them, in which case they tend to put themselves on a pedestal.