Bokonon

I just joined the Baptist Board (http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi) today and I'm enjoying it immensely. Do you guys frequent or lurk any other Christian boards?

Ojuice5001

Apologetics.org. Not as active, or as fun as this forum, but it's a worthy forum with a high standard of debate. (Too high a standard for me to often have something to add.) The current moderator, KT, is a decent sort.

cloudyphiz

i used to go to apologetics.org a lot, i was one of the regulars there. the previous moderator, rick pearcy, pretty much drove a way the whole community though. now that he's gone, hopefully the others will come back.

-gary

Autonemesis

I applied, and was rejected. No, I didn't use a nick with a pot reference in it.

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Bokonon

Hmm. What was the registration info that you provided?

crazyfingers

All non-believers were banned from the BB a few months or so ago in a policy change. I'll guess that as soon as the Admins over there get a whiff of your non-theism, you'll be banned summarily.

After I was banned from the BB, I started posting at the <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/forums/index.php?s=" target="_blank">ChristianForums</a>

Eudaimonist

I used to post at the Baptist Board, until I was purged with all the other nontheists. It's their loss, considering that I was one of the politer nontheists.

Grizzly

I used to post on the I Love Jesus boards until they removed the open discussion and debate forum. Then I took a temporary hiatus from all Christian boards. But I have started up again on ChristianForums.com.

Oh, and I was banned on the BaptistBoard after 1 post. It was during their Nazi-like purge of atheists. Heil BaptistBoard!

Peregrine

I go to <a href="http://www.carm.org" target="_blank">CARM</a> (Xian Apologetics and Research Mission) sometimes, one of our old favorites, Metacrock, shows up at times. They have forums on Evolution, Abortion, the major religions, and atheism.

Bokonon

Yeah, they banned me already. I sent a polite e-mail asking why they've banned me. They deleted 2 of my posts (of about 10 or so). One they deleted...

-------- Constitution Party Platform ---------
Preamble

I'll do a "point" by "point" response to the Preamble. Tomorrow I might address some other platform points.

We, the members of the Constitution Party, gratefully acknowledge the blessing of the Lord God as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of this Nation. We solemnly declare that the foundation of our political position and moving principle of our political activity is our full submission and unshakable faith in our Savior and Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Divine Providence as we work to restore and preserve this Nation as a government of the People, by the People, and for the People.

They have every right to believe what they want to believe. However, if they want to establish the Christian Theocracy, elected or otherwise, they need a 2/3 majority in the Senate to amend the Constitution. We are a secular nation.

The U.S. Constitution established a Republic under God, rather than a democracy.

The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. There are no mentions of this being a Christian nation or whatnot. Madison, a Deist, and his compadres, a mixture of Deists and Christians, intended this nation to be as such.

Our Republic is a nation governed by a Constitution that is rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are Constitutionally elected by the citizens.

This nation is not rooted in "Biblical law". The Old Testament promotes a Jewish Monarchy. The New Testament doesn't really promote any particular political organization. This nation was never intended to be a Christian nation. I refer you to the Treaty of Tripoli, written during Washington's administration and passed into law during Adams'. It was passed unanimously in the Senate It reads in part...

"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation."

In a Republic governed by Constitutional law rooted in Biblical law, all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules.

Liberty and property are protected in this nation because, in part, of our Constitutional laws yes. Biblical laws are a separate matter that have no basis in secular government.

We affirm the principles of inherent individual rights upon which these United States of America were founded:

By establishing a Theocratic Republic?

• That each individual is endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are the rights to Life, Liberty, Property and the Pursuit of the individual’s personal interest;

Of course, the Creator Jefferson (and Locke before him) referred to was not the Christian Creator. Rather the Creator of the Natural World, the Deistic God... natural laws themselves. I think most support these principles.

• That the freedom to own, use, exchange, control, protect, and freely dispose of Property is a natural, necessary and inseparable extension of the individual’s unalienable rights;

Good enough.

• That the legitimate function of government is to secure these rights through the preservation of domestic tranquility, the maintenance of a strong national defense, and the promotion of equal justice for all;

I have to question how they define "the preservation of domestic tranquility".

• That history makes clear that left unchecked, it is the nature of government to usurp the liberty of its citizens and eventually become a major violator of the people’s rights; and

But then, history has never shown a true Democratic Republic.

• That, therefore, it is essential to bind government with the chains of the Constitution and carefully divide and jealously limit government powers to those assigned by the consent of the governed.

I think most people would agree with this. If one doesn't like when their officials extend government powers not consented by the governed, one has the right to vote against them.

The Constitution Party calls on all who love Liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.

I love liberty. I dislike theocracy.

We speak for Americans: hardworking, productive, taxpaying men and women who constitute the backbone and the heart of the American Republic and its economy.

And Christian?

These are the producers; these are the ones who should be "first considered and always remembered." It is on their backs that government is carried, and it is out of their pockets that government is financed. Without them and without the product of their skills and their labors, there would be no source to fund the legitimate functions of government nor would there be charity to support the private institutions helping those in need.

So the Constitution party does not support any Government Aid? Quite scary.