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05-07-2003, 04:33 PM | #1 |
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What's the most convincing argument for God's nonexistence you've heard?
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05-07-2003, 04:55 PM | #2 |
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First you must define God. If Omni-max then I'd have to say nearly any of them, but for your sake I'll say that since seeing anything beyond space and time is currently (and most probably always) impossible then so is trying to visualize anything beyond it; you can never expect proof. Though this may not disprove God it does show it's pointless to search for him.
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05-07-2003, 04:56 PM | #3 |
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I don't find any of them convincing at all.
Edit: Oops- I misread the OP as existence, not non-existence. Dumbass, me. |
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The complete failure of theists to provide an argument that can stand under any amount of scrutiny, or to even provide a consistent, non-contradictory definition of what God is.
You'd think that if something were so certain to exist, at least one person could come up with a good argument or definition all theists can agree with. |
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The fact that different cultures hold vastly different, mutually exclusive religious beliefs. Religion is clearly an invention of culture, not some objective truth. No religion has stood up to scrutiny and all religions claim every other religion is wrong. In the absence of any evidence, I think any person capable of objective, rational thought should be able to realize that no religion has a clue what it's talking about.
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The only argument I ever bother with:
1: One should not accept any hypothesis without evidence that supports it. 2: There is no evidence that supports the god hypothesis. (this is where arguments occur, but arguments are the stuff of life) Conclusion: one should not accept the god hypothesis. I'ts blindingly simple. |
05-07-2003, 07:33 PM | #7 |
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PandaJoe:
Read several apologists' defense of God. They'd rather not label their beliefs as failures. Lobstrosity: What you stated constitutes an argument against religion - not God. |
05-07-2003, 07:41 PM | #8 |
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A squeek.
On patrol on a dim and drizzly 1975 evening in NW Belfast I (with my mate Fifi) heard the above come from a dustbin. Jock, our section commander, backed us away and we sealed off the area, suspecting a clever trap. After what seemed an age we tied rope to a handle, and around a lamppost and pulled the thing across the road to se if any device would go off, or fall out.
The content of note was a now dead newborn. Which, hours before had given me the one of the best arguments against any "god" which I can still hear to this day. There are many others, but that one sticks with me. Another good one is Lacsap's wager. Where you gamble on being judged by time on how you used your life. If you spend it in adoration of one of the many deities in the miniscule chance of blissful immortality, you could be judged in time to have condemned less fortunate contemporaries to a life of suffering and terror by your waste of financial, intellectual and other resources. Like the children starving in sight of that opulent cathedral on the Ivory Coast. If you spend your life, etc in helpful pursuits of practical assistance, like volunteer service and secular medical missions, then you have a chance of ending up in "hell" but a much, much, much better chance of being judged positively by time. |
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No evidence and no good argument for.
Over time, I've found myself shifting to Koy's position that it's perfectly rational to say, "There is no god," and furthermore, this position doesn't require evidence any more than saying, "There are no leprauchans" does. As usual, though, Koy said it much better. His boots I'm not worthy to lick. d |
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Spenser says,
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PandaJoe doesn’t believe in God cuz of: Quote:
Lobstrosity says he doesn’t believe in religion because of: Quote:
Doubting says: Quote:
Mad doesn’t believe in God because of his attachment to the logical fallacy known as bifurcation, expressed thusly: Quote:
Diana says: Quote:
Let me put this as simply and kindly as I can: You are all a bunch of hypocrites. No offense meant, just my observation. – Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic |
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