winstonjen

According to your beloved bible, god has lied, cheated, deceived, created people SOLELY for being a 'bad example' and going to hell, changed his mind (remember Abraham and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah?), and contradicted himself. Earlier, he punished those that did no wrong (children of bastards), and later on, he changed his mind, saying that people would only be accountable for the sins they themselves commit.

Magus55

God doesn't lie or cheat or create or create people just so they go to Hell, you just can't see the big picture like He can. You examine His actions in a finite, material bound way, He doesn't. And deception, isn't necessarily lying, although I don't know off the top of my head sometime when He deceived people.

Could you elaborate on what you mean about Abraham and Sodom and Gomorrah?

Are you referring to the punishment of children in the flood? And yes, people were judged differently in the OT because it wasn't the Age of Grace. But God never changed by deciding a different method. The Judgement of the OT people and the judgement of the New has been his plan for all eternity. He never changed His mind, its always been that way. But it still is all based on Faith. In the OT, faith in God, in the NT, faith in Jesus and his sacrifice/ressurection.

Amaranth

lie n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

Amaranth

winstonjen

Well well well. Looks like you don't know your god as well as you claim to. Don't you remember the discussion where god said that he would spare Soddom and Gommorah if there were 50 righteous people, but Abraham convinced him to spare the city if there were only 5 righteous people?

Also, why is Lot considered 'righteous' when he offered his virgin daughters to be violated, without even asking their permission?

theIPU

"all-good" as in God not letting people go to hell. Ohhh wait but that would mean that God and hell exists.....some evidence that these even exist would be nice- thanks in advance.

Paperstreet

So people in the OT were allowed to be treated like shit, just because God was taking his time getting to the Age of Grace?

People who live thousands of years ago still felt the same pain and injustice we do. There lives were important to...

winstonjen

Not important enough to god, apparently.

Magus55

Why do you assume God changed his mind after what Abraham said? God already knew Abraham was gonna ask for if there were only 5 righteous people, God just wanted Abraham to actually be the one to say it. Doesn't mean He changed His mind, only that He wanted Abraham to make the decision.

And I haven't read the OT in awhile. Just because you weren't clear about what you were asking for, doesn't mean I know nothing about the Bible. Of course, i can't recite the Bible word for word, and have to look some things up. Can you recite a biology textbook? Or can you recite the entire Theory of Evolution and differentiation of species off the top of your head? I know the story of Soddom and Gomorrah, but saying " um yeah, well explain like the part about abraham and Soddom and Gomorrah", how the heck am i supposed to know what you mean? Try not to be so vague next time.

Angrillori

Except that, given any sort of foreknowledge at all, he does create people just to go to hell.

Ohhh....ok.....how?

Tell that to Jonah dude.

Do you ever read any of the Bible? And I've noticed you're still not worshipping me, even though I did pardon you from the death sentence I condemned you to. Better remedy that.

orac

You're not paying attention, are you?

You have to give your son a light spanking, followed by all the ice cream he can eat, before it counts. After all, God is incapable of forgiving until after he gets his "sacrifice". (In order to prove this wrong, Magus55 will have to explain why torturing and killing Jesus - then bringing him back to life - was a good thing, even if unnecessary. He's never managed that before, oddly enough.)

Oh, when you lightly spank him, tell everyone that it's the worst pain anyone has ever suffered. Keeping a straight face while doing this will be difficult, I know.