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Old 04-07-2003, 11:26 PM   #31
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30. SO YOU THINK TEH [sic] UNIVERSE JUST CAME INTO EXISTANCE [sic] FROM NOTHING ONE DAY LOLerz???!!1
Not from nothing; from the fluctuation of a quantum singularity.
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Old 04-07-2003, 11:48 PM   #32
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no one God is self existent
Does anyone know where I can find that picture of occam's razor (the one that goes "God created the universe. God just exists" --> "The universe just exists")?
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Old 04-08-2003, 12:37 AM   #33
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It's a lot easier to accept that a supernatural being of some sort created everything. The physics needed to understand the Universe is beyond the comprehension posibilities of many.
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The universe is self-existent.
So it seems.
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It's not that difficult. The universe started from a quantum singularity. Particles wink in and out of existence all the time. One just happened to spark the big bang. No need for any god, nor any divine hand.
yeah, i knew that much... just that mentioning quantum singularities to the average arguer from first cause frequently results in the ever-popular "you use too many big words for me, who do you think you are?" response. and i'm too much of an amateur to try explaining what exactly a quantum singularity is.

personally, i feel that the whole god thing is a load of dingo's kidneys. but this argument/thinly veiled rhetorical device can be effectively shut down without even attempting to conclusively prove the nonexistence of god. and i'm too lazy to ruin my manicure over it.

thanks anyway though, that was nice and succinct.
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Old 04-08-2003, 01:52 AM   #36
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If I'm using "too many big words", my interlocuter should buy a dictionary. Reading more wouldn't hurt, either.
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Old 04-08-2003, 06:15 AM   #38
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a coz is soem thing that starts some thign els. for instence in order for a car to move it must be pushed by the engin, and the engin must be moved by igniting the fuel. this is like the christian belief that God cozed the world to come into being in that case God is the first Coz
`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.


"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"


He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.


And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!


One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.


"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.


`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

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Okay, wait a minute. Maybe there is a first coz...

He's not the first coz. His dad come before him, and his grampa before that. In fact, I'd say he comes from a long line of coz's. And effects.

Think about that and eat the pudding pops...

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So "things are moving ans changing because it is in thier nature to do so". what causes thier nature to "do so" what is it that makes thier nature want to change?
You are probably an atheist troll, but I'll offer one more serious answer.

Nothing "makes" a photon "want" to move at the speed of light. It is in the nature of a photon to do so. That's what photons do. In a sense, there can be no deeper explanation than this.

By introducing the concept of God, you aren't really answering anything. What caused God to create the Universe? If you say that it was in God's nature (or supernature) to want to create a Universe, you are using my answer and unnecessarily shifting it one step back to some hypothetical being.
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