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RufusAtticus · 01-19-2003, 08:05 PM

From AiG's front page: Beavers prove the Existance of God

And who thought that Dembinski and Wilt were the only one to claim this?

Jobar · 01-19-2003, 08:34 PM

Truly the beaver is yet another example of the wonderful provision and wise planning of a caring Creator God. Such variety of essential equipment could not have evolved over time by chance and selection. All of the beaver's equipment must be present and fully functional in the animal from the beginning for it to survive its semiaquatic life-style.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

But, I think that squirrels would be most appropriate.

Doubting Didymus · 01-19-2003, 08:52 PM

Oh honestly.

The entire article comes down to this:

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All of the beaver's equipment must be present and fully functional in the animal from the beginning for it to survive its semiaquatic life-style.

Which is a simple non-seqiteur. What a waste of an article, to base it on a faulty premise. It reminds me of the raelians, who often write largely copied versions of basic introductory genetics papers, for the sole purpose of then saying "This knowledge of genetics means aliens, with their much greater knowledge, would have been able to create the human race" A whole article wasted on a fallacy. I might have wanted that oxygen.

Happy Wonderer · 01-19-2003, 09:26 PM

Wow, these guys would be really blown away if they studied sea otters to any extent. Of course, the similarities of sea- to river-otters would have to be explained away somehow.

So does this mean that Beavers are a Kreated Kind (tm)?

HW

tgamble · 01-20-2003, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Happy Wonderer
Wow, these guys would be really blown away if they studied sea otters to any extent.

Yeah, blown away at how well designed they are and how blind random chance couldn't possibly produce them or anything else.

Albion · 01-20-2003, 09:17 PM

And last week on the BBC board, someone was claiming that butterflies were the ultimate proof of God because metamorphosis couldn't have evolved.

beyelzu · 01-21-2003, 12:53 AM

id amuses me cuz its the jazzed up pseudoscience version of the old christian miracle of life argument. look at how beautiful and ordered the world is, how can you think that it is by accident.

what crap. descent with modification, big bang. get over it.

DarkBronzePlant · 01-22-2003, 11:15 AM

Funny, I also used to say that the fact that beaver exists proves the existance of a kind, loving god!

KC · 01-22-2003, 02:49 PM

Of course, if you cut off the tail of the beaver it simply changes function from a beaver to a big water rat. IC? Faugh!

Cheers,

KC

lpetrich · 01-22-2003, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by Albion
And last week on the BBC board, someone was claiming that butterflies were the ultimate proof of God because metamorphosis couldn't have evolved.

Why was metamorphosis supposedly impossible?

To me, it's simple: different stages of growth get specialized in different directions.

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01-19-2003, 08:34 PM	#2
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Truly the beaver is yet another example of the wonderful provision and wise planning of a caring Creator God. Such variety of essential equipment could not have evolved over time by chance and selection. All of the beaver's equipment must be present and fully functional in the animal from the beginning for it to survive its semiaquatic life-style. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! But, I think that squirrels would be most appropriate.

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Happy Wonderer Veteran Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Washington, the least religious state Posts: 5,334	Wow, these guys would be really blown away if they studied sea otters to any extent. Of course, the similarities of sea- to river-otters would have to be explained away somehow. So does this mean that Beavers are a Kreated Kind (tm)? HW

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Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	And last week on the BBC board, someone was claiming that butterflies were the ultimate proof of God because metamorphosis couldn't have evolved.

01-21-2003, 12:53 AM	#7
beyelzu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the peach state ga I am a metaphysical naturalist Posts: 2,869	id amuses me cuz its the jazzed up pseudoscience version of the old christian miracle of life argument. look at how beautiful and ordered the world is, how can you think that it is by accident. what crap. descent with modification, big bang. get over it.

01-22-2003, 11:15 AM	#8
DarkBronzePlant Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: San Francisco, CA USA Posts: 3,568	Funny, I also used to say that the fact that beaver exists proves the existance of a kind, loving god!

01-22-2003, 02:49 PM	#9
KC Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Narcisco, RRR Posts: 527	Of course, if you cut off the tail of the beaver it simply changes function from a beaver to a big water rat. IC? Faugh! Cheers, KC

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