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Valentine Pontifex · 12-11-2002, 02:52 PM

The text of yet another court case which Dr. Dino has lost. It is very revealing. Don't forget to read the footnotes!

<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?&as_umsgid=15568703.0212110434.3650384d@pos ting.google.com" target="_blank">Judge dismisses Hovind petition against the IRS with prejustice</a>

Nickle · 12-11-2002, 08:51 PM

God must be a shitty lawyer.

Camaban · 12-12-2002, 03:32 AM

and this is the man people believe when he thinks he's found out why it's legal for creationism to be taught in schools

BTW, 'course God's a useless lawyer. it's Satan that has all the lawyers

Undercurrent · 12-12-2002, 10:46 AM

Incedentally, what does the "with prejudice" actually mean? I'm thinking it means something of the sort of, "and you're a dumb-ass for even bringing it up," but I doubt any legal dictionary contains that wording.

penumbra · 12-12-2002, 10:59 AM

from Undercurrent "what does the "with prejudice" actually mean? "

A dismissal without prejudice permits the plaintiff to sue again on the same causes of action, while a dismissal with prejudice bars the right to bring or maintain an action on the same claim or cause. Does that help?

NialScorva · 12-12-2002, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Undercurrent:
Incedentally, what does the "with prejudice" actually mean? I'm thinking it means something of the sort of, "and you're a dumb-ass for even bringing it up," but I doubt any legal dictionary contains that wording.

IANAL, but I believe it means that you cannot bring the issue back to court, even if you have additional evidence. "Without prejudice" would mean that the current case is dismissed, but Hovind could regather evidence and present it again. Judge must have known that Hovind would never actually look at evidence.

Valentine Pontifex · 12-12-2002, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Undercurrent:
Incedentally, what does the "with prejudice" actually mean? I'm thinking it means something of the sort of, "and you're a dumb-ass for even bringing it up," but I doubt any legal dictionary contains that wording.

I don't think "dumb-ass" would really fit it. I think that the court is basically saying that Hovind is knowing misusing the court. The court should not express prejuce against someone who honestly, but mistakenly thought they had a case but mere rule against them.

But then again I am NOT a lawyer. Treat what I write with a few shovelfuls of salt.

NialScorva · 12-12-2002, 11:12 AM

Just looked it up. It means that the motion to dismiss is interpretted as being the final judgement of the case. "Without prejudice" means that the court has made no decision on the matter, and the plaintiff reserves the right to reintroduce it at a later date.

Philosoft · 12-12-2002, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by Nickle:
God must be a shitty lawyer.

Lay off. It's tough when you're incapable of lying.

Jimmy Higgins · 12-12-2002, 12:59 PM

4 summons, three I can understand, but what exactly is CSE Transportation?

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12-11-2002, 08:51 PM	#2
Nickle Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 385	God must be a shitty lawyer.

12-12-2002, 03:32 AM	#3
Camaban Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 473	and this is the man people believe when he thinks he's found out why it's legal for creationism to be taught in schools BTW, 'course God's a useless lawyer. it's Satan that has all the lawyers

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Undercurrent Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 2,362	Incedentally, what does the "with prejudice" actually mean? I'm thinking it means something of the sort of, "and you're a dumb-ass for even bringing it up," but I doubt any legal dictionary contains that wording.

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penumbra Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,938	from Undercurrent "what does the "with prejudice" actually mean? " A dismissal without prejudice permits the plaintiff to sue again on the same causes of action, while a dismissal with prejudice bars the right to bring or maintain an action on the same claim or cause. Does that help?

12-12-2002, 11:12 AM	#8
NialScorva Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Median strip of DC beltway Posts: 1,888	Just looked it up. It means that the motion to dismiss is interpretted as being the final judgement of the case. "Without prejudice" means that the court has made no decision on the matter, and the plaintiff reserves the right to reintroduce it at a later date.

12-12-2002, 12:59 PM	#10
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	4 summons, three I can understand, but what exactly is CSE Transportation?

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