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NOGO · 07-20-2003, 11:51 AM

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BigBad
Jorge, Jorge, please, Jorge, dammit, please, Jorge...

Just post one of the 31,000 contradictions and explain why it isn't really a contradiction. Pleeease.

Thank you.

Let me give you hand.

According to John
When the women got to the tomb it was still night, the tomb was empty and the stone had been removed. Mary left the area thinking that someone had stolen the body. She did not see nor speak to anyone on her first visit

According to Matthew
When the women got to the tomb it was dawning, an angel came down from heaven and removed the stone and told them that Jesus resurrected. Mary left the tomb believing that Jesus had resurrected.

There is more but I stop it here for the sake of brevity.

It is pointless to point out all the inconsistencies. Simply put, these are not the same story at all. If one of them is true the other is fiction unless ofcourse they're both fiction. They cannot both be true.

Take it away Jorge ...

Corgan Sow · 07-21-2003, 09:56 AM

Wanna bet that Jorge won't come back here again? (hint, hint...surgery =D)

fried beef sandwich · 07-22-2003, 10:07 AM

Just goes to show that the entire Bible is a contradiction.

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Originally posted by Mageth
I just noticed something. In the Protestant Bible, there are reportedly 31,102 verses. Is it just an odd coincidence how that correlates with Jorge's "over 31,000 discrepancies"? Or are we being "had"?

Darwin26 · 07-22-2003, 11:53 AM

...that's preposterous ! how could the supreme infalilble omnicient being make a blunder like that ...
Perhaps the Homeland Security Secretary should exam this... This is just to much ... certainly all the animals on Noah's Ark will be miffed.

Cretinist · 08-03-2003, 11:04 PM

There is an interesting thread about Jorge in EvoC.

wdog · 08-05-2003, 04:55 PM

oh crap,

I think I came here too late. Will another xtian please answer then? someone please tell me why 31,000 inconsistencies do not matter to their faith that the bible is the word of god. I think that is the more relevent question since jorgy claims that his faith is above such troubling issues.

Wayne Delia · 08-06-2003, 04:50 AM

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Originally posted by Jorge
[color=purple]Thank you for wishing me well. Regardless of the outcome, it'll be good - He's in charge.

While the outcome was good, I doubt if I would accept it as evidence that your God actually had anything to do with it. Nevertheless, the outcome was good: you are long gone from this forum, while currently actively posting to a Christian forum.

WMD

Jorge · 08-10-2003, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Vorkosigan
God is a fiction, Jorge, like pink unicorns, Frodo, and George Bush's belief in democracy. We gave it up for the same reason we gave up Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. WMD was just funnin'.

The reality is, there are no gods.
Vorkosigan

That pretty much sums up what you're doing here at IIF. Well, enjoy your religion!

Jorge

viscousmemories · 08-10-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Jorge
That pretty much sums up what you're doing here at IIF. Well, enjoy your religion!

Jorge

Ah, and finally we get some resolution to this sad thread. It's just a shame Jorge couldn't have been a little more creative with his rather pathetic bowing out. For entertainment purposes, people who parade feeble arguments so gloriously really should burn out as bright as they shine. Starting a thread with one sad excuse for a topic then, pages and days later, ending with an even sadder excuse for an argument is just so... well... sad.

vm

Jorge · 08-10-2003, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Wayne Delia
Wow! Did your HMO approve that situation? That's gotta jack up the price of the procedure. Suppose the surgeon was not Christian? How is the chain of command established in that case? Assume, for the moment, a situation of a non-Christian surgeon operating on a believer such as yourself. Would God use the surgeon as a puppet to ensure the successful surgery you hope for - thus removing the surgeon's free will to potentially screw up your operation? Or in case of an emergency situation arising during surgery, is the non-Christian surgeon supposed to wait and listen for orders from the God of some religion other than his? Would a Christian surgeon be expected to wait for inspiration from Allah, or expect to be controlled by Allah, if she was operating on a Muslim patient? But perhaps your surgeon is Christian after all. He couldn't be a very strong Christian, if he relies on medical surgical procedures and instruments when Mark 16:17-18 clearly states Jesus promises that Christians would have the power to heal any illness simply by laying on of hands. All you would need is a Christian to heal you much more cheaply and less intrusively. Finally, how would you account for any number of failed procedures by Christian surgeons operating on Christian patients? Successful ones get credited to God, no doubt, but the unsuccessful ones never seem to be blamed on God. Instead, God gets credit for some mysterious, unknown higher purpose for allowing the operation to fail.You failed to explain why that is the case. The only way it could be the case is if what God is all about amounts to "God doesn't mean what the Bible reports Him as saying." In Mark 16:17-18, Jesus is attributed to have said "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." Those are supposed to be the distinguishing characteristics of believers, to demonstrate to nonbelievers the power of their faith. If Jesus doesn't mean what He promised, then either He is a liar or else the Bible doesn't accurately portray what He meant.That much is obvious: if I ever decided to place my faith in a God, I would prefer either to follow one which is not a liar, or one who is described in a much more reliable and trustworthy holy book.Go right ahead! I'm not surprised, because it's probably much easier than if you reflected either on why Jesus lied to you, or why you don't have as much faith in Jesus as you seem to think we should have.Good luck! But you're still on the hook for why you're ignoring Mark 16:17-18 in favor of the scientific and medical procedures of fallible humans instead of trusting what Jesus promised you. Perhaps that passage is one of the more than 31,000 inconsistencies you've found in the Bible.
WMD [/B]

I'm so glad that you've found your 'home' here at Infidels Forum, WMD.

Once you wrote me that you weren't "truly happy" until you let go of the 'weight' that God was (words to that effect).

Of course you're happy - you no longer experience the constant struggle that exists between the flesh and the spirit since you have now delivered yourself to one side only. Your state of sublime bliss is perfectly understandable, WMD - enjoy it while it lasts. Truly, you never understood one iota of God's wisdom and, hence, here you are.

I'm back to IIF to complete what I had promised but, after reading all of the posts submitted while I was away, it'll be nice to move on.

Jorge

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Darwin26 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Encino, CA Posts: 806	one to many ...that's preposterous ! how could the supreme infalilble omnicient being make a blunder like that ... Perhaps the Homeland Security Secretary should exam this... This is just to much ... certainly all the animals on Noah's Ark will be miffed.

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07-21-2003, 09:56 AM	#122
Corgan Sow Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,537	Wanna bet that Jorge won't come back here again? (hint, hint...surgery =D)

08-03-2003, 11:04 PM	#125
Cretinist Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 399	There is an interesting thread about Jorge in EvoC.

08-05-2003, 04:55 PM	#126
wdog Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,547	oh crap, I think I came here too late. Will another xtian please answer then? someone please tell me why 31,000 inconsistencies do not matter to their faith that the bible is the word of god. I think that is the more relevent question since jorgy claims that his faith is above such troubling issues.

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