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Secular Elation · 07-24-2002, 08:55 AM

Why does it seem that all the apologists and creationists are Christian?

Are there not Hindu, Islam, Pagan apologists/creationists?

Coragyps · 07-24-2002, 09:46 AM

There are! <a href="http://www.evolutiondeceit.com/index.php" target="_blank">Harun Yahya</a> comes immediately to mind - no relation to the Ya-Ya Sisterhood, as far as I know, but interesting in his own right. He has utterly disproved Darwinism in such a way that would make Ken Ham happy, if Ken didn't already know that Harun was a Hell-bound infidel. (And vice-versa, of course.)

Bubba · 07-24-2002, 12:11 PM

I actually knew of one athiest who had doubts about it, but wasn't a true "creationist..."

Bubba

GeoTheo · 07-24-2002, 12:34 PM

I had a post modernist college professor that didn't believe in objecive reality. He thought all truth was subjective. So a debate on wheather evolution were true or not was lost on him.
He ddin't look at things antithetically.
He saw evolutionists as seeing evolution and creationists as seeing creation and each polluting reality with their perspective.

Pugilist Atheist · 07-24-2002, 12:42 PM

There are Islamic creationists and Orthodox Jew creationists.

Here's an <a href="http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/rncse_content/vol19/9510_cloning_creationism_in_turkey_12_30_1899.asp" target="_blank">interesting article</a> about the Islamic creationists.

I find it odd that Christian creationists blame communism on evolution, but apparently the Muslims feel that evilution is responsible for capitalism.

There are Hindu creationists, too. But they're Old Earth Creationists. Really, really Old Earth - they think the earth is about 500 billion years old.

mibby529 · 07-24-2002, 02:23 PM

There aren't many non-Xian creationists.

As Pugilist Atheist mentioned, Hindus believe the earth is 500 billion years old.

Muslim creationists seem to think that evolution results in capitalism, while Xians blame it for communism. (Evolution and communism? WTF? Isn't capitalism the logical extreme of evolution?)

As for pagans, the Asatru Folk Assembly has claimed that some 9000-year-old skeletons halfway across the world from Scandinavia are Scandinavian. Then they took the ironic role of calling the Indians who didn't believe their theory creationists.

A lot of ppl believe in creationism and don't even know it, though: A Jesuit missionary invented the Bering Strait theory. It contradicts plate tectonics, what we know about Ice Age climates, both physical and real anthropology, archaeology...That's all I can remember right now, but I think I've proven my point. But it's still taught in schools. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Vorkosigan · 07-24-2002, 02:28 PM

Track down a copy of Forbidden Archaeology at your local library. It is written by nuts who are Vedic creationists and think the world is something like 50,000 years old.

Vorkosigan

Pugilist Atheist · 07-24-2002, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Vorkosigan:
<strong>Track down a copy of Forbidden Archaeology at your local library. It is written by nuts who are Vedic creationists and think the world is something like 50,000 years old.

Vorkosigan</strong>

I have what seems to be a lifetime subscription to The Fortean Times (I provided them with some images a few years ago); last year there was a lengthy article about Forbidden Archaeology. The author seems to be big on coke-cans-found-in-coal-deposits type of evidence. I was unimpressed by the overall Hovindness of the author's "research."

lpetrich · 07-24-2002, 03:41 PM

(others have said what I'd said better than I did, so I'm snipping away)

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Valentine Pontifex · 07-24-2002, 04:02 PM

The current Reports of the National Center for Science Education has some information on extreme orthodox Jewish creationism which often has a geocentrism component.

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07-24-2002, 09:46 AM	#2
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	There are! <a href="http://www.evolutiondeceit.com/index.php" target="_blank">Harun Yahya</a> comes immediately to mind - no relation to the Ya-Ya Sisterhood, as far as I know, but interesting in his own right. He has utterly disproved Darwinism in such a way that would make Ken Ham happy, if Ken didn't already know that Harun was a Hell-bound infidel. (And vice-versa, of course.)

07-24-2002, 12:11 PM	#3
Bubba Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orient, OH USA Posts: 1,501	I actually knew of one athiest who had doubts about it, but wasn't a true "creationist..." Bubba

07-24-2002, 12:34 PM	#4
GeoTheo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bemidji Posts: 1,197	I had a post modernist college professor that didn't believe in objecive reality. He thought all truth was subjective. So a debate on wheather evolution were true or not was lost on him. He ddin't look at things antithetically. He saw evolutionists as seeing evolution and creationists as seeing creation and each polluting reality with their perspective.

07-24-2002, 12:42 PM	#5
Pugilist Atheist Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Corpus Christi, TX, USA Posts: 135	There are Islamic creationists and Orthodox Jew creationists. Here's an <a href="http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/rncse_content/vol19/9510_cloning_creationism_in_turkey_12_30_1899.asp" target="_blank">interesting article</a> about the Islamic creationists. I find it odd that Christian creationists blame communism on evolution, but apparently the Muslims feel that evilution is responsible for capitalism. There are Hindu creationists, too. But they're Old Earth Creationists. Really, really Old Earth - they think the earth is about 500 billion years old.

07-24-2002, 02:23 PM	#6
mibby529 Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cali Posts: 170	There aren't many non-Xian creationists. As Pugilist Atheist mentioned, Hindus believe the earth is 500 billion years old. Muslim creationists seem to think that evolution results in capitalism, while Xians blame it for communism. (Evolution and communism? WTF? Isn't capitalism the logical extreme of evolution?) As for pagans, the Asatru Folk Assembly has claimed that some 9000-year-old skeletons halfway across the world from Scandinavia are Scandinavian. Then they took the ironic role of calling the Indians who didn't believe their theory creationists. A lot of ppl believe in creationism and don't even know it, though: A Jesuit missionary invented the Bering Strait theory. It contradicts plate tectonics, what we know about Ice Age climates, both physical and real anthropology, archaeology...That's all I can remember right now, but I think I've proven my point. But it's still taught in schools. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

07-24-2002, 02:28 PM	#7
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Track down a copy of Forbidden Archaeology at your local library. It is written by nuts who are Vedic creationists and think the world is something like 50,000 years old. Vorkosigan

07-24-2002, 03:41 PM	#9
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	(others have said what I'd said better than I did, so I'm snipping away) [ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: lpetrich ]</p>

07-24-2002, 04:02 PM	#10
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	The current Reports of the National Center for Science Education has some information on extreme orthodox Jewish creationism which often has a geocentrism component.

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