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Valentine Pontifex · 07-27-2003, 10:19 PM

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comd....html#fig2.4.2

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Figure 2.4.2. Dolphin embryo with well-developed early hindlimb bud. Embryo of the spotted dolphin (Stenella attenuata) at 24 days gestation. f = well-developed forlimb bud, h = well-developed early hindlimb bud. Also compare with the cat and human embryos of similar age in Figure 2.4.1 above. (Reproduced from Sedmera et al. 1997)

Wounded King · 07-28-2003, 03:36 AM

Aaawww! Thats so cute!!

I always liked beluga whale embryos but I can't find a nice looking pic.

Roller · 07-28-2003, 04:23 AM

Yep! Just used that picture a couple of days ago (with links to talkorigins of course) in debate with creationist. Still waiting for response...

contracycle · 07-28-2003, 04:32 AM

There are some adult whale skeletons that show hind limbs in very vestigial form. Quite a throwback, 55 odd million years and the whole superstructure of hips missing.

Boro Nut · 07-28-2003, 05:15 AM

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Originally posted by contracycle
Dolphin hindlimb bud

It could apeal to a whole new market and increase sales I suppose. It worked for mescale with worms after all, and don't the chinese sell a lot of wine with snakes and tiger penises in?

Boro Nut

Phoenixstar · 07-28-2003, 07:06 AM

Yeah I tried to show and tell my fundy family members about this and they of course had no answers except the usual God made it that way yadda yadda yadda. They still say that the stuff I learned while getting a B.S. in marine biology is against the lord.

:banghead:

pangloss · 07-28-2003, 07:31 AM

On the Baptist Board - prior to my banning and libelouos attacks by the BB admin - I had mentioned that whale embryos have limb buds. The opponant of the time, John Paul, proclaimed that it didn't matter because adult whales don't have hind limbs and embryology is irrelevant.

Also that calling it a limb bud was a misnomer and only done because of evolutionary predispositions.

There is no arguing with these idiots.

pz · 07-28-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by pangloss
The opponant of the time, John Paul, proclaimed that...embryology is irrelevant.

I am mortally offended and appalled at the incredible stupidity of that ignorant twit.

pangloss · 07-28-2003, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by pangloss
On the Baptist Board - prior to my banning and libelouos attacks by the BB admin - I had mentioned that whale embryos have limb buds. The opponant of the time, John Paul, proclaimed that it didn't matter because adult whales don't have hind limbs and embryology is irrelevant.

Also that calling it a limb bud was a misnomer and only done because of evolutionary predispositions.

There is no arguing with these idiots.

Now, now... He is, afterall, an engineer and a scientist....

Data · 07-29-2003, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by pz
I am mortally offended and appalled at the incredible stupidity of that ignorant twit.

If you want to debate with him he's currently on these forums, probably others too.

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=5

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07-28-2003, 03:36 AM	#2
Wounded King Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,211	Aaawww! Thats so cute!! I always liked beluga whale embryos but I can't find a nice looking pic.

07-28-2003, 04:23 AM	#3
Roller Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland Posts: 658	Yep! Just used that picture a couple of days ago (with links to talkorigins of course) in debate with creationist. Still waiting for response...

07-28-2003, 04:32 AM	#4
contracycle Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London Posts: 1,425	There are some adult whale skeletons that show hind limbs in very vestigial form. Quite a throwback, 55 odd million years and the whole superstructure of hips missing.

07-28-2003, 07:06 AM	#6
Phoenixstar Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 73	Yeah I tried to show and tell my fundy family members about this and they of course had no answers except the usual God made it that way yadda yadda yadda. They still say that the stuff I learned while getting a B.S. in marine biology is against the lord. :banghead:

07-28-2003, 07:31 AM	#7
pangloss Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,302	On the Baptist Board - prior to my banning and libelouos attacks by the BB admin - I had mentioned that whale embryos have limb buds. The opponant of the time, John Paul, proclaimed that it didn't matter because adult whales don't have hind limbs and embryology is irrelevant. Also that calling it a limb bud was a misnomer and only done because of evolutionary predispositions. There is no arguing with these idiots.

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