Kosh

Just got back from the gym and the channel where
my son was watching cartoons has turned to the
PTL club...

On it they're featuring, as a story of inspiration, one of the families whose father
was killed in the 9/11 Boston flight. They're
talking about how God has helped them through
it, etc.

Now, if leaders such as Jimmy Swaggert claimed
the WTC attack was due to God's anger with America, then why would he have done it to these
good Christians? Also, wasn't Pat Robertson one
of those leaders? If I'm not mistaken about that,
seems contradictory for him to claim that God
is now helping the victims....

Confused.

blame_the_gods

Don't Be, this is really quite simple:

"<insert vain idols names here> works in mysterious ways..."

I was satisfied with this answer, why aren't you?

emotional

The A Team or the J Team, take yer pick.

(A for Allah, J for Jesus. Religion is football).

Toto

Bin Laden is sure that Allah blessed his mission, because the destruction of the WTC was so much more devastating than he planned. But now Allah has abandoned him. Allah also works in mysterious ways.

Of course, the OT version of God that Falwell believes in practices group punishment. It was the pornographers, the abortionists, and the ACLU who caused Him to withdraw His protective shield from the entire US, just to show us. He also installed George Bush in office to further punish us and sap our will to go on. He truly is mysterious, if not perverse.

Monkeybot

Off to Misc. Religion Discussions

spurly

What was God's involvement? He allowed his creatures to have "free will". That is about as much as you can blame God for any of the events that happened on 9/11.

God gives us free will, and allows us to exercise it. He wants us to love him, but will not force us to. If we choose to walk away from him he allows us to.

Was it dangerous for God to give us free will? You bet it was. But it is the only way a God who is described as a God of Love could create us. Because he is a God of love, he could not force us to love him - he must give us a choice. If he didn't, it wouldn't be love.

What else was God doing. Here's my best guess. He was comforting those who were trapped. He was listening to people in the WTC and at other places around the world as they poured out their hearts to him. He was strengthening their faith, encouraging them, and wrapping his arms around them.

The WTC disaster broke God's heart just as much as it broke anyone's heart - probably more.

Praise God that one of these days disasters like this will be over and done as we get back to what God intended in the beginning.

Kevin

winstonjen

No, your god, if he existed, would be guilty by failing to do anything - guilt by omission.

Why didn't he just stop it from happening? He is causing the cancer, and selling the cure.

Doubtful, as god did not die in the disaster. And why does he choose to preserve the free will of the terrorists at the expense of the free will of the victims? Why is THAT more important?

Magus55

No he wouldn't. You are holding God to human expectations which he isn't bound to.


Because if He stops one evil action, He would have to stop all of them which destroys Free will.



Everyone has equal value in God's eyes. Everyone has Free will, and some people just choose to use it in disobedience to God. And when you go against God, it can have devastating consequences.

winstonjen

Then he doesn't deserve to be worshipped.


No, because we could still choose between different non-evil actions to perform. And the free will of the victims would be preserved.

Stop dodging the question. If god preserves the free will of the terrorists over that of their victims, by doing nothing, then he is playing favourites and siding with the terrorists, making god himself a terrorist.

lpetrich

If one compares his current performance to the miracles of the Bible, then one must conclude that the Xian God is getting senile.