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Malaclypse the Younger · 03-27-2002, 06:42 PM

As the A Challenge to Ethical Vegetarians has degenerated into yet another unproductive free-for-all, I will reiterate my challenge.

A one-on-one debate in Formal Debates and Discussions with Spin or anyone else who criticizes the eating of meat on moral or ethical grous, or moral subjectivism, or any reasonable proposition over which we disagree.

As the challenged, you may pick the resolution. If you think the crux of the bisquit is subjectivism, pick a resolution accordingly. Phrase the resolution any way you choose, so long as we actually disagree.

Facts about me, make of them what you will:

I hold to moral value subjectivism (and moral strategy objectivism).
I have eaten meat in the future. I predict that I am likely to eat meat in the future

Someone7 · 03-27-2002, 07:03 PM

YOU ARE A VERY BAD MAN! YOU EAT BAMBI! BAMBI EATER MAN!

I AM WIN!

spin · 03-27-2002, 07:40 PM

Malaclypse:
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A one-on-one debate in Formal Debates and Discussions with Spin or anyone else who criticizes the eating of meat on moral or ethical grous, or moral subjectivism, or any reasonable proposition over which we disagree.
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Sounds like you just want an argument. Arguments are down the corridor. This is abuse.

tronvillain · 03-27-2002, 10:36 PM

Are you saying that you are being abused, or that you are abusing people? You aren't really doing much for your position by avoiding the challenge.

Pomp · 03-27-2002, 11:49 PM

You have eaten meat in the future? Was it at that restaurant at the end of the Universe, by chance?

Automaton · 03-28-2002, 06:31 AM

Being a moral vegetarian myself, I might be willing to take up the challenge. But this is primarily an atheism site, I don't think it would be appropriate to host a debate on a very unrelated topic in the formal debates forum.

Malaclypse the Younger · 03-28-2002, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Automaton:
Being a moral vegetarian myself, I might be willing to take up the challenge. But this is primarily an atheism site, I don't think it would be appropriate to host a debate on a very unrelated topic in the formal debates forum.

As a long-time member of this board (as well as a former moderator and administrator), I can say with confidence that such a debate is entirely appropriate.

I accept! Pick your resolution!

We must also negotiate the format. While I would agree to a free-form debate, I suggest we negotiate a more structured format, the better to hold the attention of our audience and to make the debate itself publishable.

[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: Malaclypse the Younger ]

tronvillain · 03-28-2002, 06:44 AM

Yes, given that there is a "Moral Foundations & Principles" forum, it certainly seems appropriate.

Malaclypse the Younger · 03-28-2002, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pompous Bastard:
You have eaten meat in the future? Was it at that restaurant at the end of the Universe, by chance?

Oops!

I tend to compose and edit my posts directly in the edit box. This sometimes leads to amusing errors.

This sentence should read "I have eaten meat in the past."

[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: Malaclypse the Younger ]

Automaton · 03-28-2002, 06:55 AM

Oh sorry. I would have saved all that for my opening post if I had known you would accept so soon.

Anyway, as for format, formal debating style bores me incredibly. Free-form is much more interesting, and it allows for far greater scope of discussion.

03-27-2002, 06:42 PM	#1
Malaclypse the Younger Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: nowhere Posts: 416	A Challenge to Moral Vegetarians, Objectivists, or Whatever As the A Challenge to Ethical Vegetarians has degenerated into yet another unproductive free-for-all, I will reiterate my challenge. A one-on-one debate in Formal Debates and Discussions with Spin or anyone else who criticizes the eating of meat on moral or ethical grous, or moral subjectivism, or any reasonable proposition over which we disagree. As the challenged, you may pick the resolution. If you think the crux of the bisquit is subjectivism, pick a resolution accordingly. Phrase the resolution any way you choose, so long as we actually disagree. Facts about me, make of them what you will: I hold to moral value subjectivism (and moral strategy objectivism). I have eaten meat in the future. I predict that I am likely to eat meat in the future

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03-27-2002, 07:03 PM	#2
Someone7 Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 376	YOU ARE A VERY BAD MAN! YOU EAT BAMBI! BAMBI EATER MAN! I AM WIN!

03-27-2002, 07:40 PM	#3
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	Malaclypse: ------------------ A one-on-one debate in Formal Debates and Discussions with Spin or anyone else who criticizes the eating of meat on moral or ethical grous, or moral subjectivism, or any reasonable proposition over which we disagree. ------------------ Sounds like you just want an argument. Arguments are down the corridor. This is abuse.

03-27-2002, 10:36 PM	#4
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Are you saying that you are being abused, or that you are abusing people? You aren't really doing much for your position by avoiding the challenge.

03-27-2002, 11:49 PM	#5
Pomp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Indianapolis area Posts: 3,468	You have eaten meat in the future? Was it at that restaurant at the end of the Universe, by chance?

03-28-2002, 06:31 AM	#6
Automaton Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 717	Being a moral vegetarian myself, I might be willing to take up the challenge. But this is primarily an atheism site, I don't think it would be appropriate to host a debate on a very unrelated topic in the formal debates forum.

03-28-2002, 06:44 AM	#8
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Yes, given that there is a "Moral Foundations & Principles" forum, it certainly seems appropriate.

03-28-2002, 06:55 AM	#10
Automaton Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 717	Oh sorry. I would have saved all that for my opening post if I had known you would accept so soon. Anyway, as for format, formal debating style bores me incredibly. Free-form is much more interesting, and it allows for far greater scope of discussion.

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