Volker.Doormann

I do refer on your claim: "People can find meaning (or take issue with) anything they are told about their character."

Because this is a scientific forum, and you have claimed this, I have taken this as a claim, that is based on scientic provable facts.
No. I have written here, that I have explicit for such test developed a software, that can be used to create to each birth data of living humans an astrological analysis of the character of that person blind to validate correlation between astrology and personality. I wonder, that you have not perceived this.
It is personal hard work. Next week I am on vacation in Denmark for some weeks. Each one who is ready and do feel the competence to handle such test, can get a copy of my software. It is not necessary to involve a living astrologer in that test. It needs only people, who are qualified to judge on both, on the test person and on the text about the person correct about is true character.

That may be right. But he, who is looking precisely, can perceive, that it is not absolute true. I have given some demonstrations about that, what I do.
Yes. I think there is no need to change the imaginations of skeptics about astrology. No problem. A Problem only comes up, if scientists in personal union with a skeptic claim to be competent and to speak as authorities in the field of astrology. They are not.

My intention here is, to illuminate the background of the myths of the bible from it's spiritual meaning containing the astrological symbols of 'twelve spiritual houses of Israel', and a lot of more symbols unknown to the public. I have not seen here in this forum one response, that has acknowledged one of my arguments or demanded answers. I have not started this thread with my name in the subject. Strange practice.

Volker

Risiko

Folks, I deeply admire your patience with volker. I've gone almost insane reading the thread.

I think he want to sell some software.

Volker.Doormann

You think wrong. I do not sell any software. I do not sell astrology software. I give it only for free to scientific research.

Volker

Kachana

Is the "true" skeptic also skeptical of skepticism about skepticism, or is the line arbitrarily drawn before that?

echidna

Sounds like a fair trade.

Wyz_sub10

Well, it was more of a general comment on human nature, but this claim is nothing new or earth shattering. It's simple confirmation bias. You can read the following pieces if you are truly interested:

Evans, B. Bias in Human Reasoning: Causes and Consequences (Psychology Press, 1990).

Gilovich, Thomas. How We Know What Isn't' So: The Fallibility of Human Reason in Everyday Life (New York: The Free Press, 1993).

Gould, Stephen Jay. The Flamingo's Smile (New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1987).

Specifically speaking, the subjective validation I refer to is known as the Forer effect. Working in astrology, I am quite sure you are familiar with this. If you are not, then you should be.

Here are some sources for you:

Dickson, D.H. and I.W. Kelly. "The 'Barnum Effect' in Personality Assessment: A Review of the Literature," Psychological Reports, 1985, 57, 367-382

Forer, B.R.. (1949) "The Fallacy of Personal Validation: A classroom Demonstration of Gullibility," Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 44, 118-121.

Thiriart, P. (1991). "Acceptance of personality test results," Skeptical Inquirer, 15,116-165.

Just to be sure I understand you, you have a software program that can produce a personalioty analysis based on the birth date you enter?

How do you establish correlation and why does the "blind part" come in? I'm afraid I don't follow you completely.

Or do you have someone enter their personality information and it produces a birthdate and time?

Can you define the latter requirements a bit more? Do you mean someone who can match the output results to the person, and 1) understand what the outpute means objectively, and 2) know the person well enough to see if this is true?

Let's open that up to members - do we have someone here willing to engage this process?

Sorry Volker, I don't think you really have, You have provided us with much information, that is true. But the information alone does not demonstrate the correlation or show how you doing 'x' produces result 'y'.

Isn't that what's happrning here, somewhat? I really do not know of any scientific discipline that recognizes astrology as anything more than fantasy. If it is so entrentched in math and astronomy, why do we not see any astrology work in those fields?

I knew a fellow (whose name escapes me) who wrote a whole book on that very subject. I'll bet you have read it or heard of it...short name, American, I believe.

Anyway, I would not be sruprised of a connection between astrology and the 12 tribes, but that topic is neither here nor there with regards to the accuracy, validity and utility of astrology.

Indeed.