Darth Dane

So do you think that someone can really do a kameameha wave?

I don't know, someone might? given time and such.

I think that such people may exist in the same sense that unicorns and dragons may exist. Possible? Yes. Factual? Almost certainly not.

There is teh problem, there is a thread of doubt that can tumble the whole of our Reality constrution in our minds, we might get frightened. It is a huge shock I could imagine to suddenly see a man flying without aid.

But the doubt....an unknown that could represent anything at all.


So you're saying that these people would rather hide their discovery than earn a quick one million dollars? Sorry, I don't buy it for a second.

Could sound like you are anthropomorphizing (sp?) how others would act in the world, maybe they have different motives for Living than you. Just like Christians have a different motive for Living as opposed to Satanists, or Muslims and Buddhists.

If their motive in Life is not in acquiring money, what in the world would they do it for? To satisfy your curiousity? Sheesh





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Jet Grind

Darth Dane,

I don't quite understand, it's a yes or no question. If this is a yes then you've just completely discredited yourself.

Come again?

What you are constantly throwing at me is called Argumentum ad Ignoratium, it's an argument that states "since you can't prove me wrong, I am right" and it's utter nonesense. For the last three posts or so you have been completely avoiding giving me any evidence and instad resort to giving me anecdotal tales. Ragardless, you are arguing that every single one of these people with superpowers would rather stay in hiding that earn one million dollars. That's quite an extraodinary claim and I don't buy it for a second.

long winded fool

There are things that haven't been explained without alot of unwarranted assumptions and logical gymnastics, (as in the explanations of levitation and spoon bending.) It is just as illogical to pose the possibility that it's magic and then apply it to all cases as to pose a set of increasingly unlikely circumstances and apply them to all cases. All things can be explained. Not all things can be explained at any given time by any given person, no matter how objective they try to be. Sometimes we just don't know how things work. There always have been and probably always will be things which challenge or even defy our current understanding of reality. There will always be people who swear up and down that they're supernatural and miraculous in order to lend credence to their personal beliefs and there will always be people who swear up and down that they know exactly how everything works and that nothing can possibly defy their idea of reality.

The rules of the universe can't be bent or broken. They can only be misinterpreted or completely unidentified.

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Hmm...
This is all interesting. I'm starting to wonder about Depakk Chopra's credibility actually. In alot of his books he claims to have seen and experienced so called "supernatural" events.
What I HAVE noticed, is that the people who claim to have experienced these things are usually suseptable to religion's of the moment. I'll explain: A person hears about an object in the sky that looks like an orb. Suddenly they believe the account, and then start claiming to have seen things themselves. The next day they hear about being skeptical and agnostic. They then find excuses to explain away their previouis beliefs. Believing when there is a small, if non-existant amount of proof.
There are countless accounts of mind reading. Ghost-like apparations etc. Personally, I believe these accounts to be largely based on the imagination of the confessor.
Still, either the majority of the human population is crazy, or they are miss-interptretating something we have to look deeper into.

Darth Dane

I don't quite understand, it's a yes or no question. If this is a yes then you've just completely discredited yourself.

I am unable to determine whether or not it is possible, I lack knowledge to give you a definate answer.


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There is teh problem, there is a thread of doubt that can tumble the whole of our Reality constrution in our minds, we might get frightened. It is a huge shock I could imagine to suddenly see a man flying without aid.

But the doubt....an unknown that could represent anything at all.
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Come again?

Doubt....If you doubt if God Is or not, then there is a possibility that God doesn't exist, also a possibility that God does exist.

Doubt gives possibility.


What you are constantly throwing at me is called Argumentum ad Ignoratium, it's an argument that states "since you can't prove me wrong, I am right" and it's utter nonesense.

I am not saying you are wrong and I am right, I am saying that since we can't know IF I am right or wrong, we should accept the possibility that I May right, but also that you may be right. Since we don't know, both of us can be right.

Regardless, you are arguing that every single one of these people with superpowers would rather stay in hiding that earn one million dollars. That's quite an extraodinary claim and I don't buy it for a second.

I am saying that IF these superhumans exist, they could be just as excentric as anyone out in teh world. Hermits? Monks? Due to their life and way of living, they have no need for money, and thus no motivation of money to show the world superpowers.

The rules of the universe can't be bent or broken. They can only be misinterpreted or completely unidentified.

What if one of teh laws that can't be broken, is that it is "Mind over matter" If this is a law we haven't confirmed yet, doesn't mean we won't discover it.




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Jet Grind

Darth Dane,

Look, I think it's pretty safe to say that someone can't do a Dragon Ball Z fighting move (incase you didn't kno what a kameameha wave is, it's when Goku shots a powerfull blast of spirit energy out of his hands, do you really think that it's possible for someone to do that?). Believing that is just as rediculous as believing that someone can teleport or travel faster than light.

I'll take this as an admission that you can't provide evidence for your claims, and that they are therefore irrellavent.

This is no more valid then a claim that we can't see the uicorns around us because they are invisible. I'm sorry man, I still don't buy it.

The mind is matter, we are not governed by anything etherial. There is no "ghost in the machine" a la Rene Descartes. If you want to read about that, pick up Steven Pinkers book "The Blank Slate".

Darth Dane

[i]Darth Dane,

.... do you really think that it's possible for someone to do that?)

It is possible, but as I now know more, it is very unlikely, so unlikely that I will say for sake of argument, that it can't be done.

. Believing that is just as rediculous as believing that someone can teleport or travel faster than light.

Humans have teleported a beam of light! Does that count?


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I am not saying you are wrong and I am right, I am saying that since we can't know IF I am right or wrong, we should accept the possibility that I May right, but also that you may be right. Since we don't know, both of us can be right.
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I'll take this as an admission that you can't provide evidence for your claims, and that they are therefore irrellavent.

Via the same rationale, I will say you can't provide evidence that it can't be done in 1000 years.


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I am saying that IF these superhumans exist, they could be just as excentric as anyone out in teh world. Hermits? Monks? Due to their life and way of living, they have no need for money, and thus no motivation of money to show the world superpowers.
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This is no more valid then a claim that we can't see the uicorns around us because they are invisible. I'm sorry man, I still don't buy it.

Hmm, it could look like it would be a possible human way of being. I have seen quite strange humans, who didn't like to interact with other humans. They could for all I know be superhumans, that out of fear as being labeled "devils spawn", because showing these powers might entail those kinds of responses. What if you were in fact "The devils spawn" and you knew it was wrong. There could be a 1000 reasons why they wouldn't show them to us.





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Jet Grind

Darth Dane,

It's quite an exxaggeration to call what they did teleportation. Basically they took advantage of a process called "quantum entanglement" where two particles replicate one another, even over large distances (they succeeded in making photons replicate one another in two different places). If you think we can teleport a human, forget it. In order to teleport, one would have to record the position of every particle in the human body. Due to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, that's completely impossible. Then you have to figure out how the hell we're going to send genetic information through quantum foam (wish we knew how). So saying that someone can teleport is erronous.

I'm done with responding to comments like these. You are proof that some people will always refuse to acknowledge the irrationality of their beliefs. Don't comment further on thse people with superpowers unless you have evidence that they exist because otherwise, I'm not interested.

Darth Dane

It's quite an exxaggeration to call what they did teleportation. Basically they took advantage of a process called "quantum entanglement" where two particles replicate one another, even over large distances (they succeeded in making photons replicate one another in two different places). If you think we can teleport a human, forget it. In order to teleport, one would have to record the position of every particle in the human body. Due to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, that's completely impossible. Then you have to figure out how the hell we're going to send genetic information through quantum foam (wish we knew how). So saying that someone can teleport is erronous.

Fair enough, I don't know all th elaws that govern teleportation, maybe some will refute Heisenberg?

...You are proof that some people will always refuse to acknowledge the irrationality of their beliefs.

I told you, I don't have beliefs, I don't Know.
Maybe my comments are irrational to you, but I don't absolutely know if it is or not.

I know I nothing know. - Socrates




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Jet Grind

Darth Dane,

Teleportation of humans (or even large objects) will never be practical. As entertaining as the idea may be, it simply can't be done. And if you're going to refute Heisenberg, you've got your work cut out for you. Pick up "The Edge of Physics" edition of Scientific American magazine if you want to read more about this.

You could've fooled me, in fact you did. I was of the impression that you were asserting that humans with superpowers exists. But that was because of your implication, so it's not my problem.